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calimary

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15. That concerns me as well. One thing that's struck me in this whole affair is
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:51 AM
Jun 2013

that people on CNN and elsewhere sure are going apeshit over the Guardian.

WHERE THE FUCK WERE THEY IN 2002 and 2003???? The Guardian was all over the lies about the run-up to the Iraq War. They had it all. That paper was pretty much the only mainstream news outlet throughout that published the truth about what bush/cheney was up to. THEY had the voices and sources and quotes and interviews with people who brought up the OTHER side than what we were getting here in the US, being force-fed that drum-beat for war, with the "9-11," "9-11," "9-11" and "WMD!" "WMD!" WMD!" mantras being jammed up our asses every damn day. They actually covered the opposing view, thoroughly and richly, and gave it many a column inch. Continuing after 2003, too. The Guardian kept up the coverage throughout. It was the ONE place where you could reliably go to get to the bottom of what was going on, because the Guardian was talking to the people who were muzzled, ignored, frozen out, or demonized, and giving them full attention, exposure, and the legitimacy their views deserved.

There was almost none of that anywhere here - except for the low-profile and much-ignored McClatchy papers, the alternative press, and of course on sites like this one. None of the majors. Shit, people got fired for trying to report on coffins coming home from the Iraq War, or even take photos. It was years before one shot of multiple flag-draped coffins loaded inside some transport plane actually made it to print on a mass public scale. It was like the details of actual warfare were taboo and not to be spoken. Here and there you'd hear about some reporter getting sidelined or even fired for trying to cover the opposition to the war. Highest-profile case, I think - Phil Donahue was fired by MSNBC no less, because he was a lone voice against our invading Iraq, and oh gracious me, we certainly couldn't have that on the air now, could we?! Typical panels discussing Iraq on cable news would consist of a republi-CON representative or senator, a conservative columnist, a reporter or critic with a known conservative slant, and Donna Brazile: one of the most infuriating milquetoasts I'd ever screeched at when she was making yet another anemic "defense" of Democrats or conceding how wrong the Democratic/liberal/progressive take on things was. NO ONE paid any attention to what the Guardian was reporting, day after day, as it proved there was VERY much indeed another side to consider besides the non-stop war-cheerleading from every media .

But man, on this story, the Guardian is being referenced or quoted seemingly every minute on the minute. Almost as though somebody woke up somewhere in some back news office a couple of weeks ago and realized there was this news outlet in the UK called the Guardian that was reporting all kinds of stuff worth noticing.

I guess I’m an Obama apologist... [View all] busterbrown Jun 2013 OP
Move along, nothing to see here. BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #1
Thats all you got? busterbrown Jun 2013 #2
When something scares the shit out of you, I suppose the only answer Dragonfli Jun 2013 #5
But when our side looks so much like their side BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #7
Actually, when something scares the shit out of you the best thing to do,.. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #10
Indeed... we mustn't give Christy an inch MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #3
Yup!! busterbrown Jun 2013 #4
Obama and Christy make such a cute couple. MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #6
That love affair will be used to show how Christi busterbrown Jun 2013 #8
Good thing Obama's not helping Christy MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #9
Obama is Obama... busterbrown Jun 2013 #11
Rather than having one Elizabeth Warren as president. Parable Arable Jun 2013 #12
In my opinion Warren stands alone as Democrat who busterbrown Jun 2013 #13
Well, Sheldon Whiteouse has my respect..... Parable Arable Jun 2013 #14
Yea, Sheldon is o.k. and I also like Steve Lynch.. busterbrown Jun 2013 #17
The biggest assholes in congress, if you ask me.... Parable Arable Jun 2013 #18
yea but the guys I mentioned aren’t like the Rethugs you mentioned. busterbrown Jun 2013 #21
She will disappoint everyone who praises her because they think they know her. MADem Jun 2013 #32
People tend to project views on certain politicians. Todays funniest for me is the outrage over Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #55
It's pure craziness. The Snowden fans aren't getting that his cheering squad is NOT MADem Jun 2013 #56
Wyden, Merkley.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #38
oh please. Pat Leahy, Barbara Boxer, Sheldon Whitehouse cali Jun 2013 #48
Welcome to DU, Parable Arable! calimary Jun 2013 #16
Lest you forget...Joe Biden gets first crack at it... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #51
You're blaming the messenger Doctor_J Jun 2013 #49
Yeah … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #44
That's pretty low, to use the misery of the hurricane to puff up your Obama hate. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #54
That concerns me as well. One thing that's struck me in this whole affair is calimary Jun 2013 #15
Thanks for that.. busterbrown Jun 2013 #19
Unfortunate but true. There are WAY too many problems that come with a GOP presidency. calimary Jun 2013 #41
I agree with you!! LeftInTX Jun 2013 #45
I agree 100% SoapBox Jun 2013 #20
DU is starting to sound like CommonDreams.org tofuandbeer Jun 2013 #22
Thank God.. busterbrown Jun 2013 #23
That's a good thing ;-) n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #27
hallelujah! you make it sound like that is a bad thing. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #47
I think a lot of DUers are simply going through the stages of JDPriestly Jun 2013 #24
I agree with you, I think there is no reason to think this debate will harm Obama. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #40
Everything isn't about Obama. JoeyT Jun 2013 #25
I’ll ask you as well.. busterbrown Jun 2013 #26
All things must pass. Amonester Jun 2013 #30
They're blaming Obama for using it. JoeyT Jun 2013 #36
"Every concession on rights is followed immediately.... ReRe Jun 2013 #28
Sorry to hear about your high medical expenses, but you have considered that Socialized medicine... Prospectum_Quaero Jun 2013 #29
Yes, you are an apologist. This 'our guy isn't as bad as their guy' bullshit doesn't fly anymore. bowens43 Jun 2013 #31
How do you feel about FDR? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #35
I feel that if I had been around in the 30's and 40's Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #53
Well compare and you tell me... busterbrown Jun 2013 #39
Totally. Boils it down perfectly. calimary Jun 2013 #42
You get an "AMEN!" from me 66 dmhlt Jun 2013 #33
I think you'll find that the extremist right has no monopoly on "my way or the highway." DFW Jun 2013 #34
Uh oh, be careful you don't FRIGHTEN a DUer with this. savalez Jun 2013 #37
While not scaring me … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #43
If we lose at elections, we will lose everything we fought for LeftInTX Jun 2013 #46
At a certain point it's time to put party interests to the side and stand on principle. craigmatic Jun 2013 #50
you don't have to apologize for anything about President Obama. hamster Jun 2013 #52
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