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214. I don't see anybody else running

Reply to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Nov 20, 2014, 09:16 AM

Nov 2014

If she does. However, anybody else is still certainly entitled to do so if they want and I will support whoever wins.

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I wish Obama could win, but he can't - HRC has overwhelming support [View all] hedgehog Nov 2014 OP

I want to rec this about a million fucking times. Autumn Nov 2014 #1

YOU only consider the popularity vote.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #35

Which is like coming in first in a one-person race Scootaloo Nov 2014 #43

Uh Jeb Bush? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #44

I'm saying that placing all your bets on polls made this early is silly Scootaloo Nov 2014 #46

How about multiple polls? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #48

Clinton is also the only known factor in those polls Scootaloo Nov 2014 #59

Reported today. Need we say more? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #144

No she isn't... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #183

How About You Post 40 Times Here Being Beating A Dead Horse billhicks76 Nov 2014 #181

Oh really.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #184

You're Quite Right billhicks76 Nov 2014 #188

Poll Thing Again? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #143

No one has to convince democrates... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #159

Most Who Pay Attention Here Dont Want Her billhicks76 Nov 2014 #167

And they will do what they always do... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #172

Short Memory billhicks76 Nov 2014 #173

Some visionary policy proposals... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #174

Unfortunately for YOU MOST Democrats are not ON DU VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #185

I'll Change If... billhicks76 Nov 2014 #189

what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #192

Huh? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #196

^^^ those are her stats....THAT is a FACT....you don't have any VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #197

You're Wrong billhicks76 Nov 2014 #210

No I am not....READ and Be AMAZED VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #216

IN fact I will go you one better... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #198

Exactly...Hillary Can Lose To Bush billhicks76 Nov 2014 #177

BUT! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #186

Bush and Her Will Pull A Scam Together billhicks76 Nov 2014 #190

and what proof do you have of THAT bullshit? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #191

I've Already Linked Articles For You billhicks76 Nov 2014 #195

I have many MANY polls.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #199

they fucking HAVE not......good grief..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #200

Cuss At Someone Else billhicks76 Nov 2014 #211

no I fucking cuss at people who make false statements... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #215

No I Don't Think They Should Be At War billhicks76 Nov 2014 #220

Oh good grief.....dude... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #221

Misogyny? Wow. billhicks76 Nov 2014 #222

they are NOT joined at the hip....much to your dismay.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #223

Ignore Button billhicks76 Nov 2014 #224

right...thats what I thought! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #225

You're Hillarious billhicks76 Nov 2014 #226

Okay lets get this straight YOU brought up Bill and HW....being friends... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #227

Your Iraqi War Yes Vote Hero billhicks76 Nov 2014 #228

AGAIN....YOU brought up Bill Clinton and HW Bushes relationship as something to VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #229

You Need To Get A Grip billhicks76 Nov 2014 #230

Nope spot on....YOU did do it exactly as I said..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #231

Yeah Uh Huh. Thanks For The Laugh billhicks76 Nov 2014 #232

Today In The News 12/5/2014...Again billhicks76 Dec 2014 #233

George W Bush is a fucking loon...have YOU seen him WITH Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #234

It's Just Hard To Ignore billhicks76 Dec 2014 #235

No harder to ignore than you are.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #236

Wow...You Aren't Even Worth Anyone's Time billhicks76 Dec 2014 #237

Do you believe everything George Bush says? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #238

I'm not sure if I should be flattered or terrified. Autumn Nov 2014 #47

I am not here to make friends with Independents... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49

I'm a Democrat. Since we can't be friends please quit following me. Autumn Nov 2014 #51

Not if you are not committed to vote for whomever wins the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #56

So you will follow me from thread to thread until I commit to support whom you tell me to? Autumn Nov 2014 #60

I post whereever I feel like it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #66

Perhaps I am, so I will end our conversation with Bernie/Liz 20016!!!!! Autumn Nov 2014 #72

Liz the ACTUAL former Republican? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #74

That Liz, the wonderful Democratic Senator from the great state of Massachusetts. Autumn Nov 2014 #79

does she have polls showing she beats all republican comers? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #115

Polls mean nothing this far out. Hillary will lose and lose big. Democrats are smart Autumn Nov 2014 #148

Yes, currently she supports the former Goldwater girl. Common Sense Party Nov 2014 #130

One is NOT a former Republican...sorry....the first time Hillary could register to vote was 1968... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #131

Ummm......., if being a former Republican disqualifies a candidate.... hedgehog Nov 2014 #152

perhaps YOU are more than just a bit of a cyberbully. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #136

Maybe I am a Democrat....who supports Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #138

The Purity Test At It's Finest... So... If Joe Manchin Is The Dem Nominee... How Will You Vote ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #102

"Only those who are supportive of the Party elections"? Ken Burch Nov 2014 #134

Yes..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #135

You don't get to call people's party loyalty into question. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #139

If they are saying themselves they are NOT committed to vote for whomever WE select in VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #140

Yay.. dotymed Nov 2014 #151

Do you understand the name of this forum? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #187

Do you? dotymed Nov 2014 #193

I think it is about electing MORE Democrats...... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #194

Hillary...the Conservative Walter Mondale billhicks76 Nov 2014 #180

I like hillary, she's a wonderful person. I just don't think that she is Autumn Nov 2014 #182

You don't get to just label everybody you disagree with an Independent. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #132

I get to label those that are not committed to support whomever is the Democratic Nominee VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #133

DU bars posts in the fall advocating support for non-Dem candidates(fair enough) Ken Burch Nov 2014 #141

Still a fact.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #142

I assume it is fair to say that you will vote for Sanders or Warren... thesquanderer Nov 2014 #147

Please point to any "vitriol" posted about Sanders or Warren... brooklynite Nov 2014 #206

??? thesquanderer Nov 2014 #207

I Thought You're Whole Angle Was You Wanted To Win??? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #178

Dear dear Rhapsody Caretha Nov 2014 #114

And that is what you think..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #137

Let her run as a Republican. Her policies are attractive to cons. Scuba Nov 2014 #149

There IS A Current Backlash Against The Party In Power billhicks76 Nov 2014 #179

Ditto Veilex Nov 2014 #126

If you try to force lightning to strike twice bluestateguy Nov 2014 #2

Because nothing says establishment like being the half-African son of a single mother with a funny hedgehog Nov 2014 #5

His policies.... paleotn Nov 2014 #57

"His policies are establishment." - Oh really? Veilex Nov 2014 #127

Yes... paleotn Nov 2014 #150

I think you may be letting the perfect be the enemy of the good... Veilex Nov 2014 #158

Epic fail on the first item zipplewrath Nov 2014 #201

Respectfully, I disagree with you. Veilex Nov 2014 #209

Shows you don't know what the President's Policies are.. Cha Nov 2014 #204

There is no question that it will be an uphill battle for Bernie, and he has to run as a Democrat in still_one Nov 2014 #3

I have a question about that? What is the process for him to run LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #12

As far as I am aware he is registers as a Democrat, then fills out the appropriate still_one Nov 2014 #14

Sounds pretty straightforward. Thanks. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #15

I think so. Isn't that what Charlie Chist did? still_one Nov 2014 #16

The dems can refuse funding...and thats what this really comes down to. Veilex Nov 2014 #128

first he needs to be a Democrat....how hard is that to figure out? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #36

win friends and influence people! LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #41

Well you can win friends all you want...but if you are not a Democrat...you are not VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #42

feeble LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #83

Are you committed to vote for whomever wins OUR Primary election? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #84

At this moment in time I have nothing to commit to in regards to the General. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #88

It doesn't matter ....are you committed to "WHOMEVER" wins the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #90

Committment is a big word with many nuances. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #93

Yes....we are a great "club" we have elections called Primaries... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #94

says you. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #95

He welcomes their hatred ReRe Nov 2014 #118

I'm sure he does not like it, nor Michelle LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #119

My mistake.... ReRe Nov 2014 #120

This is The One. THIS PRESIDENT. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #122

You got that right! ;-) n/t ReRe Nov 2014 #123

Seriously, that's the best you've got? jeff47 Nov 2014 #75

and yet he hasn't done that.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #77

He hasn't even said he is running yet, and guess what neither has Hillary. How hard is that. I will still_one Nov 2014 #82

And if he is SOOOO electable...why would he need to? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #101

Why does it bother you if he runs or doesn't run? I have no problem voting for the Democratic still_one Nov 2014 #103

I like politics....how about you? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #104

Because the country is a two party system. Bernie also caucus with the Democrats, but you knew that still_one Nov 2014 #105

If he cannot get elected on his own merits under his own party.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #106

Bernie is a real Democrat or you have never heard him on the issues. He will bring those issues to still_one Nov 2014 #107

No he isn't.... he is an Independent...no amount of wordsmithing changes that... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #108

On the issues, Bernie is a Democrat, and to deny that denies the issues that the Democratic party still_one Nov 2014 #109

that doesn't give him better polling though does it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #111

Again you missed the point. I never said you should or should not support Bernie. I said Bernie still_one Nov 2014 #112

It has been over Caretha Nov 2014 #116

Nope still_one Nov 2014 #117

Calling DUers a "bot" isn't conducive to the conversation...and it's immature and childish. BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #176

No, actually that is the only hurdle, compared to every other potential candidate. jeff47 Nov 2014 #100

I agree. I hope Bernie redefines "electable." One of the few not influenced by any money other Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #17

Bernie cannot win...and he doesn't poll ahead of all Republicans VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #33

The point is if he runs as a Democrat in the primaries he can bring focus to the issues, and still_one Nov 2014 #96

He still has to beat every REAL Democrat.....and he has to get the Mushy Middle not to care VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #97

You missed the point in entirely. If he runs as a Democrat, win or lose, he will insure that the still_one Nov 2014 #98

That's not important to them though davidpdx Nov 2014 #121

Bernie is never going to get past the "Socialist" label. davishenderson265 Nov 2014 #4

Well, Hillary got past eh Republican label. MelissaB Nov 2014 #6

She has never been a republucan, perhaps you have Hillary confused with Elizabeth. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #24

Actually, she was a Republican before 1968. Stardust Nov 2014 #30

She voted for the first time in 1968, she voted for Hubert Humphrey, he was a Democrat. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #34

But she was NEVER registered..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #37

Exactly, the first year she could register was 1968, dont know why some has this Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #58

She was most certainly a Republican. Even proudly called herself a "Goldwater Gal". Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #164

Let me remind you, Goldwater ran for president in 1964, she was 17 at the time of the election. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #166

I don't give a fuck how old she was. She supported a Republican. He was a fucking racist! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #168

Yep, lots of idiots out there who don't understand words. arcane1 Nov 2014 #9

It's not at all about understanding the words. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #22

Hmmm... I guess Michele Bachmann got past "Jimmy Carter lover" in her base... cascadiance Nov 2014 #31

I wish Bernie Sanders could win, but he can't - HRC has overwhelming support CrispyQ Nov 2014 #7

Sad to say, but it's true. mimi85 Nov 2014 #8

It's easy to get that support when the MSM constantly says you're inevitable, 4 years ahead of time arcane1 Nov 2014 #10

He doesn't have to win. He has to be in the debate LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #13

What does it take in a candiate to represent you. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #25

I pressed that Rec button Real Hard... LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #11

Q: Easiest way to encourage people to stay home w/o a poll tax? A: Hillary Clinton. eom whereisjustice Nov 2014 #18

Two thirds stayed home in 2014, she was not on the ballot, who do you caused Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #28

Other halfassed corporate democrats who campaign for the republican base while ignoring their own Scootaloo Nov 2014 #50

That's what I think too. bravenak Nov 2014 #55

Did you ever read Berke Breathed's "Bloom County"? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #63

Oh, that's funny. bravenak Nov 2014 #67

As an ex-Iowa City resident, I recall voting for Bill n' Opus one of those years I was frustrated... cascadiance Nov 2014 #161

Careful, DU doesn't take well to Meadowcrats Scootaloo Nov 2014 #162

Participation is ALWAYS greater in presidential elections than mid-terms, if you want to lower whereisjustice Nov 2014 #99

Either of them would have won... Mike Nelson Nov 2014 #19

You could not be more spot on. K&R. n/t. bvf Nov 2014 #20

. rocktivity Nov 2014 #21

But, but, but... ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #23

I guess someone just needs a 28% favorability rating at the beginning of 2016 to be able to beat her cascadiance Nov 2014 #32

Jimmy Carter would bust a gut laughing at all this poll nonsesne. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #40

diddly squat like the fact that she beats ALL Republicans including Jeb Bush in poll after poll VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #38

Polls don't vote in primaries. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #39

Did they have 64% and poll ahead of ALL contenders? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #45

It means bopkess, period, end of sentence. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #52

You keep telling yourself that....I hope your "moral superiority" keeps you warm at night... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #54

I'll take my alleged 'moral superiority' over having HRC shoved down my throat. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #61

I just looked up Yiddish....my Brother is also married to a Jewish woman...Ashkenazi to be exact. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #62

You're struggling now. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #64

NO I am not the one trying to use a language not my own.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #65

No, you're someone trying to be a Yiddish linguist, when you know bopkess about it. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #68

No I just used a dictionary.....perhaps you have heard of them? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #69

You have a Yiddish dictionary? ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #71

Google "bopkis"..see for yourself. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #73

I don't need to Google it. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #76

right..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #80

Google isn't Yiddish. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #85

BTW, it can also be spelled 'bopkes', 'bubkes' and 'bopkiss'. n/t ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #70

funny no website seems to have a usage of "bopkis" associated with it on all of the Internet! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #81

You've checked them all, have you? ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #86

I checked the Internet...and I do have Search Engine Optimization chops.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #87

Google won't help, if you lack a fundamental understanding of certain facts. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #89

google does help in suggesting "usage" of words... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #91

I know very well how search engines work. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #92

the poster is biting their nose to spite their face at this point nashville_brook Nov 2014 #157

Is there something wrong with you? Ineeda Nov 2014 #154

+1 nashville_brook Nov 2014 #155

Barack Hussein Obama? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #26

Obama can't win cause of rev wright and his association with radicals still_one Nov 2014 #27

This Reverend Wright? rocktivity Nov 2014 #156

you got it still_one Nov 2014 #163

Hahahahaha! I see what you did there. pa28 Nov 2014 #29

And now Hillary will be our first female president. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #53

Obama undoubtedly had the help of the monied elite FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #78

President Obama had a lot of help from Individuals.. too bad Rich Hollywood Democrats gave to his Cha Nov 2014 #205

Human Rights Campaign? ErikJ Nov 2014 #110

Will be reccing this. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #113

Spot on! nt babylonsister Nov 2014 #124

Seriously, I didn't think he would be able to beat McCain. C Moon Nov 2014 #125

Elizabeth, the first female President, now that would be great! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #145

And I think she would set the best precedent for many more women to follow her! cascadiance Nov 2014 #160

Excellent analysis, succinctly stated. Bottom line, we need MORE progressivism, not less, to win elections. Period. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #169

I like Warren too, she's smart, progressive but ... Persondem Nov 2014 #208

Thats notion that the corporate media will try to plant on ANY official they label as "too liberal" cascadiance Nov 2014 #213

It's not the same thing Obama was a blank slate that people projected their hopes upon. craigmatic Nov 2014 #129

A blank slate? Served 11 years as Illinois state senator and 2 years as a U.S. Senator. Not a blank Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #165

He hadn't been in national politics long and hadn't took a stand on controversial issues. Blank craigmatic Nov 2014 #170

And neither did Hillary Clinton. First Lady doesn't count. 2 more years as a U.S. Senator doesn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #175

I can't believe you just minimized her vote for the war which was a controversial issue at the time. craigmatic Nov 2014 #203

That vote was not controversial. She wanted to look masculine and warlike! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #212

Warren will draw out the all important GOP women who have gone Democrat vote.... McCamy Taylor Nov 2014 #146

This old post has proved to us over the past six years that ... DrBulldog Nov 2014 #153

Premise is based on the flawed idea she will make the same mistakes again & is the same candidate stevenleser Nov 2014 #171

So she won't make different mistakes? zipplewrath Nov 2014 #202

No, she won't. That is a very specific kind of strategic mistake in the primary. stevenleser Nov 2014 #217

Wow, she's flawless zipplewrath Nov 2014 #218

I don't see anybody else running Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #214

This time 8 years ago, Obama was building a serious political operation... brooklynite Nov 2014 #219

I remember. Xyzse Dec 2014 #239