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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Dear Hillary [View all]

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
78. Bravo!
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:25 PM
Apr 2015

Past is prologue, so let's examine HRC's:

She was inevitable in 2008, too. She was in it to win it. She was assured that her name and money were sufficient, until Super Tuesday proved her wrong and she resorted to kitchen sink tactics against BHO, even going so far as to praise McCain. Then, still not knowing when to quit despite running on empty money wise, she proceeded on to California because you never know, remember Bobby Kennedy. That was the straw for many, including the Democratic leadership which asked her to bow out in summer 2008. She gracelessly did so, on condition that Obama and the party pay off her campaign debt. Wow, what great leadership skills, what sound management! Screw up, squander a formidable campaign war chest on a 1992 style campaign, then demand that someone else bail you out... kinda like Wall Street which is quite appropriate.

In 2008, HRC also touted her 20 years of experience -- 12 as first lady of Arkansas and 8 as first lady of the US. But if she was, and is, to claim the Clinton legacy, then she has to assume the blame for that job sucking travesty NAFTA, for the Gramm-Bliley-Leech Act which overturned Glass-Steagall, for the Telecommunications Act which has produced the horrid consolidated media of today, and for Welfare Deform which has deepened the abyss of poverty. BTW: imagine the ridicule HRC supporters would heap on Babs Bush if she ever made a similar 'experience' claim based on 4 years as 2nd lady of the US, 4 years as 1st lady of the US and 8 years as 1st mom!

Then there’s 2002, HRC's first term in the Senate. How can anyone forget that IWR vote, that callous, finger-in-the-political-wind vote cast because of her POTUS aspirations. That vote makes her ultimately culpable for the death, debt, destruction and destabilization that war of choice has caused. Sure Bush would have gone to war anyway, but without the votes of Democrats like the would be presidents Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Biden and Dodd, it would truly have been BUSH’S war. Instead, HRC and the others were profiles in political cowardice displaying politically ambitious calculation, awful judgment, and a stunning lack of morality while providing the liars and thieves in the Bush White House bipartisan cover. Here at DU, we knew better than to believe the Bush cabal. Democrats like Edward Kennedy (a genuine liberal), Bob Graham (of FL who even now points correctly to the Saudis), Robert Byrd and others not only cautioned their peers about such haste (casting votes just before the 2002 midterm elections) but warned, like canaries in the mine, about the long term consequences. Never forget Byrd’s poignant speech about the rush to war, the cost of war, the waste of war... It didn't take a classified report to see the facts. And those who think that vote is outdated, past history, something to be forgotten because HRC apologized for it, called it a mistake… just think, there are no do-overs for votes that cost so much in terms of death and destruction.

HRC is no friend of the common man. She pays handlers and marketing personnel to package her as the people’s champion, but it’s all smoke and mirrors because Wall Street (the likes of Robert Reuben, Larry Summers, Lloyd Blankfein aka Mr. Goldmann Sachs, etal.) owns her. She is the mistress of triangulation who helped found the DLC and who remains 3rd way to her very core. She is tone deaf and thin skinned (see that 2008 primary campaign, again) and lacks the natural political skills and charisma of Bill. On that note, I would even go so far as to say, she is no pave-the-way feminist. She is where she is today because of Bill.

After law school, she may have ever so briefly worked on the Nixon impeachment committee, but she was no heavy hitter, she didn’t pass the DC Bar, and she didn’t last long there. So what did she do? She ran off to Arkansas (to Arkansas… who goes there, who goes from Yale to DC to Hope Arkansas, if they are such a gifted and talented attorney… sorry Arkansans). She followed Bill because she recognized his innate talents and his rising star quality, and she latched on to him. She made it because of being Mrs. Clinton not because of being Hillary Rodham. Her only real lawyering was shilling for Walmart (a corporate lawyer for WALMART… so much walking the talk of being the people’s champion) and at the Rose Law Firm, she relied heavily on Vince Foster!

If she's the best the Democratic Party can offer at this critical time in history, then we're fucked. Go ahead and flame me, I really don't care

Dear Hillary [View all] rbnyc Apr 2015 OP
You don't speak for the base. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #1
She may not speak for Hillary's base, but she does speak for many of us... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #2
I agree but it is presumptuous for her to sign it your base. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #3
I think she's entitled to sign it any way she wants to. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #6
"presumptuous" Oh, for pity's sake. merrily Apr 2015 #31
Now that she has edited the OP Ken Burch May 2015 #149
She speaks for me, Peggy. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #5
She speaks for me too, my dear NYC_SKP... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #7
Me three and I'll bet for a majority of the progressive base. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #17
hi rbnyc Apr 2015 #11
Hi. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #14
And you just spoke for me. zeemike Apr 2015 #20
Me, too. Not every word, but I would have been jumping up and down if the Dems were backing merrily Apr 2015 #34
Did she speak for you in that thread you locked? BainsBane May 2015 #134
Since you ask... NYC_SKP May 2015 #135
It worked to exclude BainsBane May 2015 #138
omg rbnyc May 2015 #162
Are you an essentialist or something? BainsBane May 2015 #163
I swear... rbnyc May 2015 #164
The discussion on DU in regard to Sanders BainsBane May 2015 #165
It's like the black and blue... rbnyc May 2015 #166
Thanks Peggy. nt rbnyc Apr 2015 #12
This site does not approximate the Democratic base in anyway BainsBane May 2015 #133
She sure does! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #146
+100000 She speaks for me woo me with science May 2015 #150
That's fair.. rbnyc Apr 2015 #4
i don't doubt your opinions and that your honestly believe them. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #8
I hear you. rbnyc Apr 2015 #9
Thank you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #10
Jaysus. It was two fucking words in a long post. We all knew what you meant. merrily Apr 2015 #35
Maybe not, Justin, but Jackpine Radical May 2015 #102
I don't think you are off-base. hrmjustin May 2015 #111
Such hatred LeFleur1 May 2015 #155
The Hillary hate on this site is upsetting. hrmjustin May 2015 #156
I agree, and I was hoping she wasn't going to run in the first place. DFW May 2015 #157
Hatred rbnyc May 2015 #167
Please take a bow! marym625 Apr 2015 #13
Thanks rbnyc Apr 2015 #25
Glad you did. marym625 Apr 2015 #48
Well said dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #15
The folks in Sunday's campaign video all looked pretty well off, better than average at least. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #16
I dunno, they look like a reasonable slice of Americana to me dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #18
Great post. Thank you. And it a reality that has not/will not be addressed by Hillary. djean111 Apr 2015 #24
exactly. nt rbnyc Apr 2015 #26
The Hillary fans claim the rest of us are in the majority here, tho a small minority merrily Apr 2015 #36
You lead by example, thanks dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #65
I hope somehow this letter will get to her Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #19
maybe I'll send it to her... rbnyc Apr 2015 #29
You do not speak for me Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #50
I think you can find some colorful descriptive words to replace... do send it. Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #60
I'm sure she gets hate mail all the time. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #74
yes but I wish she could understand and answer for the many discouraging elements. Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #79
you obviously have a choice. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #81
I know, I'm trying to rearrange my point of view. Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #83
Hear, Hear! Unknown Beatle Apr 2015 #21
thanks. nt rbnyc Apr 2015 #38
Sorry, but you most assuredly do NOT BlueMTexpat Apr 2015 #22
true rbnyc Apr 2015 #27
my thoughts exactly! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #45
Agreed! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #61
You don't speak for me, either. hamsterjill Apr 2015 #93
Because the Democratic Party is treating Hillary Clinton as if she's the ONLY choice. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #147
I think it's still early in the game. hamsterjill May 2015 #158
Great post. Thanks rbnyc. Scuba Apr 2015 #23
thanks rbnyc Apr 2015 #30
Glad you came back. Hope you stay a while. Have you checked the Populist Reform group? merrily Apr 2015 #37
not yet rbnyc Apr 2015 #40
Any time. Thanks for this OP. Hope to see more. As you know, you can post the same content merrily Apr 2015 #42
"No way, no how, no Warren!" merrily Apr 2015 #28
of course she won't. rbnyc Apr 2015 #32
Not to rub it in, but Warren and Markey are my Senators. merrily Apr 2015 #41
I am part of the Democratic base and no one speaks for me but me. leftofcool Apr 2015 #33
That's fair. nt rbnyc Apr 2015 #39
You must want nine Scalias on the Supreme Court tularetom Apr 2015 #43
Fuckin' A. [nt] Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #44
You speak for me too, rbnyc MissDeeds Apr 2015 #46
Oh for fuck's sake, give it a rest. Darb Apr 2015 #47
Who the F do you think you are? Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #49
Why did Goldman Sachs & Citibank pay HRC over $200k per hour to speak? think Apr 2015 #51
Hillary supporters live in a fantasy world... Splinter Cell Apr 2015 #52
Nice projection you got there. Darb Apr 2015 #58
I agree with him/her/hir/them... Chan790 Apr 2015 #69
Can a politician raise taxes? A senator? A representative? Or as you say, a president? Darb Apr 2015 #72
Yep. Ambition and how best to realize it is her strongest suit. merrily May 2015 #151
I agree with you, rbnyc ....but..... N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 2015 #53
I get that... rbnyc Apr 2015 #55
I hear you and I edited the closing. Nt rbnyc Apr 2015 #54
You Don't Speak For Me Or A Majority Of Democrats... Corey_Baker08 Apr 2015 #56
I know no one will like this... rbnyc Apr 2015 #57
Also the Democratic constituency doesn't hold its own accountable dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #59
Great post. Nt rbnyc Apr 2015 #64
I agree with you 100%, and have heard the same thing myself: Maedhros Apr 2015 #76
Because part of the roadmap to victory is burning Hillary to the ground. n/t Chan790 Apr 2015 #70
If anonymous Internet haters were capable of damaging Clinton Free Republic geek tragedy Apr 2015 #75
See you at the inauguration :) workinclasszero Apr 2015 #62
Thank you. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #63
yeah, sure, throw a little red meat to the self rightious uber left here at DU. Persondem Apr 2015 #66
yeah, other than the past 15 years when have we lefties been right? MisterP Apr 2015 #68
The future is not concerned with who is right Persondem Apr 2015 #82
... rbnyc Apr 2015 #67
I love it. Chan790 Apr 2015 #71
just in case people foolishly deny the HATE of Clinton that exists here. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #73
If it's presumptious for me to identify with the base... rbnyc Apr 2015 #85
If you refuse to vote for the Democratic nominee against geek tragedy Apr 2015 #87
It's PRIMARY SEASOM!!!!! (nt) rbnyc Apr 2015 #89
unclear what you meant by "I won't vote for you" geek tragedy Apr 2015 #90
Thanks. rbnyc Apr 2015 #91
K&R SamKnause Apr 2015 #77
Bravo! Carolina Apr 2015 #78
... rbnyc Apr 2015 #88
Well put davidpdx Apr 2015 #94
I agree, see trend has been Hillary's favorability going down and unfavorability going up! representativepress Apr 2015 #80
I would like Mrs. Clinton to do something significant for the American people now Sunlei Apr 2015 #84
Thaks to those who have supported this letter... rbnyc Apr 2015 #86
Read rbnyc Apr 2015 #92
The sad thing is that Hillary supporters don't give two shits about those who she davidpdx Apr 2015 #95
I see that. rbnyc Apr 2015 #96
Lehman folded in September of 2008 Ruby the Liberal Apr 2015 #97
Good point. rbnyc Apr 2015 #98
You speak for me, rbnyc, and more other people than many will admit. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #99
How about letting the voters decide? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #100
You think? I love these anti-Hillary posts. The difference between most Hillary supporters is that still_one May 2015 #103
We will see how popular she is among rank and file Democrats in the fullness of time... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #106
Yup still_one May 2015 #107
The OP is right...Hillary has made a lot of compromises to get where she's got... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #108
Hillary has also evolved still_one May 2015 #114
Yeah, people change... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #116
... NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #101
I do not agree with you, Hillary is very qualified to be president, we the voters will determine Thinkingabout May 2015 #104
Maybe a bunch of us ought to sign onto it & see what we can do with it. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #105
Now that we have real opposition in the primary... rbnyc May 2015 #109
I think you're right. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #112
"This is a personal attack, yes. Can we talk policy? Maybe later. " Buzz cook May 2015 #110
... rbnyc May 2015 #113
Please compare her contributions to President Obama's 08 and 012 elections... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #119
I really appreciate the tone of your request. rbnyc May 2015 #125
Good luck in your endeavor. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #126
At this rate he will need to raise this much money for another 1400 days to have Thinkingabout May 2015 #129
wait, what? rbnyc May 2015 #130
She ran for office in one state. If Bernie is running for president he will need to run in Thinkingabout May 2015 #136
actually 48 days. (nt) rbnyc May 2015 #131
Is he going to run in only one state? Thinkingabout May 2015 #137
At least now I understand your math... rbnyc May 2015 #139
I am going by what Elizabeth Warren's campaign fund was. Since then we have Thinkingabout May 2015 #140
Clinton said her target for the Primary is $100 Million brooklynite May 2015 #141
I just used the amount of funds Elizabeth Warren used in her run for the Senate. Thinkingabout May 2015 #142
In fairness...very few people run for office, or support a candidate based on the salary level brooklynite May 2015 #143
This was not her salary level, she said she spent this amount. In fact, knowing the Clintons Thinkingabout May 2015 #148
If it makes you feel better, my wife and I gave Hillary $5,400... brooklynite May 2015 #144
a solid quote that cuts to the chase DonCoquixote May 2015 #115
... rbnyc May 2015 #117
How can someone toss you aside when you upaloopa May 2015 #118
I voted for her... rbnyc May 2015 #121
You speak for many Nite Owl May 2015 #120
thanks rbnyc May 2015 #122
great letter! grntuscarora May 2015 #123
Thanks... rbnyc May 2015 #124
You speak for me. 840high May 2015 #127
Great post, I hope she reads it tularetom May 2015 #128
These kinds of posts remind me of that BainsBane May 2015 #132
Outstanding. Well said. woo me with science May 2015 #145
Political stances are relative -- Hillary is the conservative. earthside May 2015 #152
Dear Poster, Thanks for yet another tired, burned out anti-Hillary diatribe. YAWN, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ RBInMaine May 2015 #153
You're welcome. rbnyc May 2015 #154
Hi rbnyc: It's mighty generous of you to wish this post would die. I, on the other hand, Cal33 May 2015 #160
hi rbnyc May 2015 #161
You described this post as "another tired, burnedout anti-Hillary diatribe." Does this also Cal33 May 2015 #159
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