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AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
165. Bernie will do best with independents
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jul 2015

Most independent voters are people who left their party because their party left them. There are left wing independents and right-wing independents. There is no center in American politics. Hillary Clinton represents the status quo, which is exactly what scares off independent voters. Bernie Sanders would mop the floor with independents.

Where is Bernie on legalization? LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #1
Because she can beat the GOP in the general election. DanTex Jul 2015 #2
That was her 2008 argument against Obama n/t ram2008 Jul 2015 #4
You asked, I answered. This is 2016, and there is no Obama. DanTex Jul 2015 #6
No, there is no Obama, but there is Bernie. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #18
But there is Donald Trump. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #81
Oh Dan, Dan, Dan ... ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #87
There is someone better than Obama. I supported Obama but sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #234
I was talking about electability, not policy. DanTex Jul 2015 #235
Electability? Then you should be more worried about Hillary. Bernie has been sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #238
I'm pretty confident that Hillary is much more electable. DanTex Jul 2015 #239
Seems to me like Sanders will have a harder time beating HRC than the GOP phantom power Jul 2015 #23
Do NOT underestimate the GOP as weak. The did that with bush W. Also, the Koch brothers are still_one Jul 2015 #34
Yeah, and the general is likely to be Bush V Clinton tavalon Jul 2015 #58
At which point I write in E. Windsor. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #191
And a few millions to rig the voting. erronis Jul 2015 #65
And I think a lot more will join Anonymous if they try to rig the counting, etc. too cascadiance Jul 2015 #77
You don't know that madokie Jul 2015 #31
Not for certain, no. But that's my best assessment of political reality. DanTex Jul 2015 #38
The name is Bernie Sanders madokie Jul 2015 #40
Elizabeth Warren zentrum Jul 2015 #62
Hopefully I'll still be here to see that madokie Jul 2015 #64
I hope so too! zentrum Jul 2015 #85
I would rather see her stay in the senate and become even more of a powerhouse. eggplant Jul 2015 #128
Not if Bernie wins! n/t aggiesal Jul 2015 #153
I love your confidence re Bernie. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #86
Bernie is taking his message into conservative strongholds. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #83
What Bernie is saying is what hifiguy Jul 2015 #113
I respectfully disagree. Bernie has Moderate R's as well as liberal progressives in his camp. His peacebird Jul 2015 #101
Fair enough. But that disagreement answers the OPs question. DanTex Jul 2015 #130
Understood, please know - we like different candidates, but ultimately are on the same side! peacebird Jul 2015 #135
I agree. We are all on the same side. DanTex Jul 2015 #137
Cheers! peacebird Jul 2015 #140
We can't know until someone starts polling Bernie matchups. Adrahil Jul 2015 #198
This "reason" bugs me. Beartracks Jul 2015 #104
All things being equal, I prefer Sanders. DanTex Jul 2015 #131
Oh Contraire Caretha Jul 2015 #144
Unlikely Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #109
There is a veritable hifiguy Jul 2015 #120
It isn't the skeleton. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #148
Completely agree dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #172
That's it, exactly. Sanders would just end up another "great 'populist' hope." I don't want it to Hoyt Jul 2015 #182
+1 nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #197
The best reason I've heard is that she's more likely to win the general drm604 Jul 2015 #3
For example, me. If I believed Bernie could win the GE, then I would support him. DanTex Jul 2015 #7
One thing I've noticed is that some right-wing acquantances seem to like him. drm604 Jul 2015 #12
I worry about him being able to get independents/moderates/swing voters. DanTex Jul 2015 #21
people just need to listen to him ONCE and those socialist labels lose their meaning. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #91
Bernie will do best with independents AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #165
There really are very few, TRUE indies/swing voters. John Poet Jul 2015 #216
Sanders frames the economic and social debates in moral terms, which they like. Qutzupalotl Jul 2015 #27
The Primary is not the General tavalon Jul 2015 #60
Yes - voting for the Lesser Good in the Primary, Maedhros Jul 2015 #11
Wow, concise and says it all, that's a keeper - eom dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #174
There's just no way she'd do better in the general election. dirtydickcheney Jul 2015 #17
I would suggest they don't need to "give" a reason... Agschmid Jul 2015 #5
I can not answer that question. SamKnause Jul 2015 #8
. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #9
Because I am liberal and I am supporting a liberal candidate Hillary Clinton. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #10
"Talking, Advocate" ram2008 Jul 2015 #13
You ask the question why liberals supported Hillary and I provided some reasons why I support her. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #25
This why I didn't reply .... ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #90
Yes I know, they ask a question but do not want an answer. Where do some people get their Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #115
There seems to be some joy over attracting conservative votes, but aren't liberal. So I pose this freshwest Jul 2015 #162
It's not puzzling. They want Bernie to win the primaries so the Republicans don't have to face lunamagica Jul 2015 #180
I've read GOP websites that say exactly what you said... n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #184
Yep- he's not the magic candidate who can talk about raising taxes and get away with it- bettyellen Jul 2015 #199
Advocating is most of what Bernie Sanders has too mythology Jul 2015 #150
+1 especially the immigration reform part lunamagica Jul 2015 #30
...... daleanime Jul 2015 #41
Does Bernie have any experience on ending wars? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #44
Didn't want to start them. daleanime Jul 2015 #45
I don't like war either but sometimes the realization of needed action. I would bet if Israel was Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #47
Are we down to hoping an ally gets attacked? daleanime Jul 2015 #51
Is that how you read what was written? I didn't. But why are you arguing? Moonwalk Jul 2015 #72
My apologies, but please tell me exactly what I said.... daleanime Jul 2015 #84
Thinkingaboutit answered honestly a question about why a liberal would support Hilary.... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #175
Gun control is authoritarian Mnpaul Jul 2015 #46
Oh really. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #48
Not hard to figure out Mnpaul Jul 2015 #57
Now I hear the choir preaching to the preacher. I am aware if what liberal is. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #119
Suing a manufacturer because an individual shoots someone with a gun Mnpaul Jul 2015 #121
Let's agree to disagree. Every thing on gun issues is opposed by NRA. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #129
Maybe you should lose the preacher crap Mnpaul Jul 2015 #134
Hey, are practicing the authoritian crap and towards others what to do? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #154
She is Third Way tavalon Jul 2015 #63
The Third Way is a think tank, people getting together to find solutions for problems, they have Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #200
I have researched it tavalon Jul 2015 #207
You are joking, right? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #211
The Third Way are neither Liberals nor Democrats LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #240
No, look at their membership. I for one refuse to be renamed by others who wants to run this Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #243
Truth isn't a talking point. Third Wayers explicitly promore Republican economic policies. LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #244
They have a business plan, something which is needed to an operation as large as the givernment. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #245
What you laughably refer to as a business plan is a conglomeration of the LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #246
It is over, bye. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #247
I'm sorry, facts sting, don't they? LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #248
Hillary is corporate owned who will promise us cake... Rockyj Jul 2015 #195
Owned like Bernie is owned by NRA and listens to lobbyists from energy, tobacco and oil industries? Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #201
I call bs on your "ownership" canard corkhead Jul 2015 #202
I used his voting record on gun issues, it is Bernie's voting record. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #203
Something about stones and glass houses comes to mind when it comes to you talking about lobbyists corkhead Jul 2015 #204
Swift boat attacks was lies, you can not say Bernie's voting record is a lie. Also, Wall Street is Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #205
Follow the $$$ Capn Sunshine Jul 2015 #212
Ifollowed the money. When Bernie was running against Peter Smith the NRA gave $18000 in ads against Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #219
The NRA gives Bernie a "D minus" on their issues. John Poet Jul 2015 #217
NRA rates Bernie as an "F" LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #241
Did he vote against the Brady Bill? Yes, that rates him a F on gun control issues for me. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #242
That depends how you define liberal sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #14
Defining liberal as being the same liberal voter for fifty years, this would make me a lifelong Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #32
Who was the most liberal president ever? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #39
I like Hillary more than Sanders. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #15
DUCK!!!! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #94
I read below a poster doesn't think we are real Democrats. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #95
Oh course we're not! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #99
Comments like the one below is why DU feels like it is going downhill. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #100
Same thing I've been saying marym625 Jul 2015 #16
Beats me. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #19
Then this makes Bernue's vote on AUMF not liberal also. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #26
Shhhhh! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #102
Gotcha Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #116
Who was the most liberal president ever? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #37
What point are you trying to make for the 2nd time??? Okay, I give? You name the most liberal !!!! trueblue2007 Jul 2015 #54
Twentieth century only DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #59
Because they (and she) are not liberals, but Repub Lite. kath Jul 2015 #20
There are millions of prople who fought for the Working CLass and Organized LABOR... bvar22 Jul 2015 #22
I have been a union organizer also, I am a liberal and despite a claim otherwise does not change the Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #29
No, one thing Third Wayers are not is liberal. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #33
Your post survived an alert, 0-7, LOL hay rick Jul 2015 #88
Wow what a shocker .. ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #98
I am liking you. nt sheshe2 Jul 2015 #122
Mob rule is teh awesome! Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #132
Thanks! Looks like someone won't be alerting for the next 16 hours or so. kath Jul 2015 #170
Jury results. zeemike Jul 2015 #89
Thanks for posting that. I think the poster who was alerted on should always receive jury resultsand kath Jul 2015 #171
. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #92
I know right? ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #105
Typical. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #106
Who are "they"? ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #96
You are calling Clinton supporters Republicans? oberliner Jul 2015 #111
Quite true Doctor_J Jul 2015 #118
What drivel. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #139
Wow, that is some hilarious shtick shenmue Jul 2015 #168
Given the number of Democratic votes ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #183
that would mean most Democrats and large majority of all minorities, lgbt and women are repub lite JI7 Jul 2015 #173
That is ok Kath. I feel similarly about some of her detractors here. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #210
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #24
Pony? daleanime Jul 2015 #28
Good for you. I'm supporting whoever the Dem nominee is. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #35
and THAT is exactly Bernie Sanders position as well Capn Sunshine Jul 2015 #213
A very good question. 99Forever Jul 2015 #36
If Bernie wins the nomination it will be a replay of 1972, and I will vote for him. What will demosincebirth Jul 2015 #42
Not with voters under 50 fbc Jul 2015 #78
You were obviously not around in 1972 eridani Jul 2015 #187
Sir/Madame, your assumption, in this case, is wrong. The first president I voted for was JFk, demosincebirth Jul 2015 #220
How did you ever manage to miss the culture wars? eridani Jul 2015 #223
either you didn't read my 1st post or you're assuming (again) what you think I said, which I didn't demosincebirth Jul 2015 #224
I think it comes down to fear and hate, which are intertwined. Maedhros Jul 2015 #43
Boom. hifiguy Jul 2015 #123
I'm a liberal and I support Clinton. demosincebirth Jul 2015 #49
Woop! Woop! ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #97
Insulting voters is not a good way to advocate for your candidate. frazzled Jul 2015 #50
why.would.a.Progressive.Democrat.support.Bernie.over.OMalley? KittyWampus Jul 2015 #52
Seriously? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #152
Hes.progressive.Even.on.gun.control.which.Bernie.isnt KittyWampus Jul 2015 #193
broken.windows. frylock Jul 2015 #236
A Very Good Question - Why Would Any Democrat Support A DLC Third Way Corporatist cantbeserious Jul 2015 #53
Because they are usually the only ones left in the General tavalon Jul 2015 #66
Hillary isn't a liberal. She's a centrist, establishment candidate. jalan48 Jul 2015 #55
good question nt heaven05 Jul 2015 #56
I am a liberal and old time DUer realFedUp Jul 2015 #61
Because 72% of identified liberals support her...... Historic NY Jul 2015 #67
0% of liberals support her. FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #69
Prove it.... Historic NY Jul 2015 #70
If the word liberal has any meaning at all FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #75
That's a very authoritarian perspective on the definition of liberal.... kjones Jul 2015 #124
You do realize that if words have no fixed meaning, then no conversation is possible FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #127
Ah, but you're not fighting for the fixed definition kjones Jul 2015 #143
Circular "reasoning." okasha Jul 2015 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #76
Yes, yes, of course. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #138
This is ridiculous oberliner Jul 2015 #145
that means there are very few liberals in this country so how is sanders going to win ? JI7 Jul 2015 #177
No liberal ever would. FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #68
fear ibegurpard Jul 2015 #71
Actually what I'm seeing is a lot of fear that he can win. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #108
That's not coming from liberals though ibegurpard Jul 2015 #136
self-identified liberals, nonetheless frylock Jul 2015 #237
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #73
"There will be no Hillary supporters voting for Bernie" kjones Jul 2015 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #156
Well, to put it simply, you're operating with false assumptions kjones Jul 2015 #188
Rec'd ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #74
They believe Hillary has a better chance of getting liberal policies passed... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #79
I see what you did there! 99Forever Jul 2015 #93
Brilliant! kath Jul 2015 #125
yes, we have to nominate a conservative so we can win and pass liberal laws Doctor_J Jul 2015 #158
Of course! You can't risk conservative criticism! Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #159
good post fbc Jul 2015 #80
And how could ANY knowledgeable progressive vote for anyone who ... DrBulldog Jul 2015 #82
I don't get it either. cui bono Jul 2015 #103
Beats the living bejesus out of me hifiguy Jul 2015 #107
The differences are astounding, and the choice NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #110
She's not promising things she can't deliver. And with a Republican House until Jan 2023 at least stevenleser Jul 2015 #112
I hope that thise who "don't get it" and say "beats me" read this post lunamagica Jul 2015 #157
^^^^ THIS ^^^^ COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #227
No idea Doctor_J Jul 2015 #114
Because she can beat the Republicans.. DCBob Jul 2015 #117
What makes you so sure she can? morningfog Jul 2015 #164
Several reasons.. DCBob Jul 2015 #189
So are you saying anyone who supports Hillary can't be a liberal? still_one Jul 2015 #126
They would certainly be inconsistant. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #146
Good points still_one Jul 2015 #160
He can't win a general Kammer Jul 2015 #141
I like Bernie and would certainly vote for him if he wins the primary. I still favor HRC. kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #142
I think it comes down to competitiveness smiley Jul 2015 #147
Most liberals will not support her over Sanders. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #149
They're all just politicians. wildeyed Jul 2015 #151
Some want the "sure win" over actual liberal ideas. (nt) Inkfreak Jul 2015 #155
They're not playing to win, they're playing not to lose. Maedhros Jul 2015 #178
I am voting for Hillary because LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #161
Many reasons BainsBane Jul 2015 #163
Preach it, Sister! okasha Jul 2015 #167
Yes! Sing it! shenmue Jul 2015 #169
Bam!! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #179
Bravo!!! lunamagica Jul 2015 #181
That was a mind and soul soothing post. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #185
*crickets* kjones Jul 2015 #226
Good for you! BainsBane Jul 2015 #228
Don't think of it as being ignored kjones Jul 2015 #232
I guess the real question should be why would a Democrat (Liberal) be supporting Bernie over Hillary Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #176
Money. 1%ers. They want theirs. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #186
Which is exactly why I have lost faith in the one person one vote system davidpdx Jul 2015 #218
because she will be an awesome president. nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #190
I generally find money is a fairly large factor for some reason. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #192
Hillary can win the general election Progressive dog Jul 2015 #194
Answer: Liberals don't. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #196
OK...I live in the liberal state of California Hepburn Jul 2015 #206
--> BECAUSE SHE CAN WIN <-- Herman4747 Jul 2015 #208
Bernie tried to stop H-1b visa abuse, Hillary pushed for more H-1b visas HFRN Jul 2015 #209
Getting tired of being told what this liberal can do and whom she can support. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #214
Why does a liberal have to be reminded different people think differently? Recursion Jul 2015 #215
Liberalism and socialism are very different things The Second Stone Jul 2015 #221
They wouldn't. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #222
Neo-liberals support her. LWolf Jul 2015 #225
The main reason we hear is 'he can't win' AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #229
If it's just an "excuse", explain clearly how he campaigns and wins a national election. brooklynite Jul 2015 #231
It's a generic excuse AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #233
That was a great break down showing how far right WDIM Jul 2015 #230
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