2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I like Sanders, really I do......BUT... [View all]aintitfunny
(1,421 posts)While you make that statement you fail to demonstrate it.
I like Hillary Clinton. I just don't get excited. If she is the Democratic nominee, I will vote for her, I will work for her during the General Election to help her get elected. I will not be excited about the potential for change. I would anticipate little change. I could see a reduction to Social Security under the guise of saving it, happen during her tenure. I would anticipate changes to Medicare, not in a good way. I anticipate no change in the Democratic leadership, which is no more than establishment and center focused. They have helped the Republican Party take control of Congress. I am not excited about any of that, but if she wins the election and becomes our first woman President, I will be delighted to be wrong. I did notice that you did not express that you would work for Bernie Sanders should he win the nomination.
In that regard, I hope that Bernie Sander's rising popularity, and his truth speaking along with the lack of rhetorical nonsense, would be seen as a guide for candidate Clinton. I hope those who follow her would acknowledge, appreciate and even admire what he is accomplishing, what he is saying and why people are flocking to see him and hear what he has to say. He is speaking to what people want.
I don't care if you go along with the corporate press and label him as anti-establishment. Does this mean you are establishment? I disagree with the premise that he is running as a fresh face, and he certainly is not playing the system. He is reaching out to the disenfranchised middle class, giving them hope that there is a chance to stop the continuing downhill slide.
When you say he doesn't have a way to pay for his proposals, I would question that you have really listened to him.
If you imagine that fathering a child out of wedlock, many moons ago, would have any negative impact, I end up smiling. How many people do you know in the real world where perfection exists? Not even in the right wing, bible thumping, crazy world of bubble enclosed, uninformed, souls does such perfection exists. Having been a single mother, it doesn't make me even blink.
One of my concerns about Hillary Clinton from a non-policy standpoint, is that she has and continues to attract ugly rhetoric from the right. It was what stopped me from supporting her in the last election. I thought she was too divisive. What a laugh. After experiencing Barack Obama and the vitriol he has faced, you may have a point about the teflon coating. I disagree that the Clintons were ever the "darlings of the left". I am on the left and I would have liked them to move further in that direction rather than push toward the center. When voters are not provided a clear cut choice, the Republicans win.
I don't like ageism anymore than sexism or other anti-isms.
He certainly answers all the questions thrown at him, and is quite clear and backs them up with fact. It has not slowed him down.
Sanders will energize the party, he will energize the voters and the non-voters. This will help the Democrats whether or not he is the ultimate nominee. I do hope that he succeeds. I want the revolution he speaks of. But if he doesn't I will vote for Clinton and support her election. The same holds true for O'Malley or one of the other candidates, within the bounds of reason.