What good will it do for people to win the whole world... (Reply #19)

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Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:08 AM

19. What good will it do for people to win the whole world...

...and lose their souls in so doing? Or what will a person give for their soul?

Just win? At what cost? Scare tactics don't impress me.

Sure I want to win, and I think all three of our progressive candidates would be superior to any of the Bialystoks and Blooms the GOPs have up for grift. (I still don't include Webb, who while an honorable fellow and a genuinely good man, is not my choice as party leader; too third-way for me.)

On the other hand, why do we even hold primaries if we are to be told exactly who we MUST favor before they're even held?

We need primaries in order to activate the electorate and get issues on the table. Warren's not running, so Bernie needed to do so. The race needed an honest-to-god bleeding heart liberal (I consider that a compliment). I'm really excited about the Sanders campaign. I may work for him locally. If Hillary prevails, I'll work for her.

I still believe the reason Dems won in 2008 was the long, hard fought primary season. We were told then that Hillary was inevitable. I started off as a Wesley Clark supporter but came over to Obama during the primaries. Primaries make state organizations stronger. This is essential to a national win.

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76 replies	Author	Time	Post
Oh Boy... Another Sanders Hit Piece By The New York Times... They Are Worried... [View all]	WillyT	Jul 2015	OP
All 'Pragmatism' got us with Obama was	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#1
And the ACA and the recent Iran nuclear deal and a triple growth in green energy growth ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#2
I don't recall any of those being "Deals with the GOP"?	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#8
Wait ... wasn't it you that said all we got was ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#11
Well,	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#14
Well	sheshe2	Jul 2015	#17
Good point on the vote,	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#25
Oops, oops! I just realized I meant "public option,"	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#34
The Public Option did not the votes, either. ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#38
Yeah, I just wish	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#59
The time for the bully pulpit had passed ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#60
Yes, exactly.	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#61
Yes. It was written on his watch ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#62
Right. And to my recollection it didn't, at least with regard to the public option.	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#63
You don't think the PO was run up the flagpole with Democratic legislators? n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#64
Oh, I certainly do.	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#73
What a shameful thing that Democrats failed the people so badly. No wonder	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#68
Snort!	sheshe2	Jul 2015	#69
A very in depth response. I completely understand!	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#70
As was yours~	sheshe2	Jul 2015	#71
I never have a problem stating, in depth if necessary, what I think.	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#72
I thought MAYBE that could be the case, until I saw how hard he is fighting and arm twisting for TPP	GoneFishin	Jul 2015	#43
Ain't that the simple truth.	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#75
I agree that went poorly	kenfrequed	Jul 2015	#58
Absolutely right, and appreciated, but	SusanCalvin	Jul 2015	#10
FIXED, Brah	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#40
I was on my phone and ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#41
Barack Obama has been a transformational and consequential president	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#42
Yes he has ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#44
Brah, I was able to do it.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#46
Well ...You know what they say about big hands ...	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#47
My mom met the GOAT in 1986. She said he was so handsome and my mom met Harry Belafonte at the Copa.	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#48
I'll laugh my ass off when that happens. And it will.	greatauntoftriplets	Jul 2015	#52
Wish I could rec comments	wicket	Jul 2015	#51
I supported Single Payer, Obama, in the campaign, opposed Mandated Ins.	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#66
Okay. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#67
When I read articles like that, all I get is....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#3
Nope...	WillyT	Jul 2015	#5
So who is "worried" when HRC or MO pieces show up. n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#4
I Think Were At Stage 3 Now...	WillyT	Jul 2015	#6
Did that answer my question? n/t	1StrongBlackMan	Jul 2015	#7
I Don't Know What A MO is...	WillyT	Jul 2015	#9
Martin O'malley	Segami	Jul 2015	#13
Oh... I Thought It Was Modus Operandi...	WillyT	Jul 2015	#15
YUM!	Segami	Jul 2015	#12
Bingo!	peacebird	Jul 2015	#37
Was thinking the very same thing.	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#22
Good point	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#26
Well, I'm firmly in the idealist camp.	PatrickforO	Jul 2015	#16
I'm enough of a pragmatist to realize we're nowhere near "the last few months of an election".	winter is coming	Jul 2015	#18
Is this the object of Bernie campaign? wow	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#29
No. Nor did I imply it. The article in the OP did. n/t	winter is coming	Jul 2015	#49
What does this mean:	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#50
It refers to the OP, which is regurgitating the bullshit meme that Sanders will run as a third	winter is coming	Jul 2015	#55
Yes, having a healthy primary with healthy debates is the correct way to do a primary. We have the	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#56
yup.	Ed Suspicious	Jul 2015	#57
What good will it do for people to win the whole world...	Simeon Salus	Jul 2015	#19
What's your issue with the title? Just curious.	cyberswede	Jul 2015	#20
I have two words for the New York Times:	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#21
^^That^^	onecaliberal	Jul 2015	#76
I fail to see how this in any way shape or form can be classified as a "hit piece"	mythology	Jul 2015	#23
Could it be because the central theme of the entire piece	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#28
I'm not worried.	sheshe2	Jul 2015	#24
Agreed.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#30
Laugh.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#27
Well all I have to say is (borrowing from The Who):	mmonk	Jul 2015	#31
Some here are too	madokie	Jul 2015	#32
Hmm. So now letters to the editor from readers are a "hit piece".	DanTex	Jul 2015	#33
It's 481 days until the election. If Americans can't come up with a decent candidate in that..	BlueJazz	Jul 2015	#35
Clearly the powers that be are afraid, like the Wizard of Oz they hide behibd a curtain pretending	peacebird	Jul 2015	#36
If hit pieces....	quickesst	Jul 2015	#39
Screw worrying about what THEY say. Vote for who you believe will do the best job.	GoneFishin	Jul 2015	#45
Is that an attempt	LWolf	Jul 2015	#53
Pragmatism. How neoliberals say...	99Forever	Jul 2015	#54
having a corporate boot licker as a president is not pragmatic	Doctor_J	Jul 2015	#65
Yeah!	zappaman	Jul 2015	#74

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