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scarletwoman

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53. He's supposed to respond by taking on their message as his campaign goes forward.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jul 2015

He "answers" by showing them what he's really made of, by showing them that he heard him and took their message to heart in his future actions, by proving that he gets it.

And it's not just Bernie, it's also us white progressive supporters of Bernie who also need to prove that we're listening and hearing them. And right now we're not looking very good - all the whining and gnashing of teeth about Bernie being "hurt", instead of taking to heart the message that the protestors were bringing.

They're in our faces telling us to prove that we're really allies, and not just a bunch of politally correct white liberals who sadly shake our heads about endemic racism, but don't actually feel it in our guts because we don't have to - it doesn't happen to us.

I wrote this last night:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6987658

You know, I've been doing my best to process what went down at the Netroots forum ever since it

happened. It's pretty much the only topic I've been reading about over all these hours - I don't know how many different threads, plus a few non-DU news articles and such.

Anyway, it's taken me awhile, but after all that reading it finally hit me that those protestors did exactly the right thing. Yup, they transgressed bigtime - they pushed us nice white progressives totally out of our comfort zone, pissed us off, outraged us, inconvenienced us, messed up our nice candidate speeches, and sent bunches of us typing furiously on our keyboards about it.

Indeed, typing furiously on our keyboards... And therein lies the power of that protest. Instead of having the pleasant experience of cheering for our guy after a well-delivered speech, we were confronted with the stark reality that these sisters and brothers don't just get inconvenienced when their day doesn't turn out so good - they get murdered.

I don't want to be that nice white progressive who feels inconvenienced about a speech being interrupted. I don't want to sit in judgement over what's a "proper" way to protest. My life is generally not at risk just from driving down the road in my car and forgetting to use my turn signal when I change lanes. There a so many things I never have to think about because I was born white. So I bless those protestors for getting all up in our faces like they did - for making me really THINK about the why of their anger.

Yes, it was well done, it was necessary, and they were right to do it. Transgression is powerful. I thank them.
This message was self-deleted by its author orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #1
They are very afraid of Bernie because he is delivering the message the people sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #2
There is nothing he can say that is satisfactory. madfloridian Jul 2015 #5
Yep. Nothing he says matters. merrily Jul 2015 #10
Well, he tells the TRUTH. That is not going to be welcome to negative sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #18
thats what I told people I know who are against abortion PatrynXX Jul 2015 #24
I did, too. 840high Jul 2015 #109
The Truth is a powerful weapon... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #6
The swiftboating and ratfucking began months ago. merrily Jul 2015 #11
Then we can use THEIR expensive negative campaigning to show why our candidate is sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #19
Once again, can you please provide evidence of Hillary even.... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #17
Here, let me explain something to you. When you choose to run a negative sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #20
Who is running a negative campaign?? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #21
No, she hasn't. TM99 Jul 2015 #80
Like Claire McCaskell madfloridian Jul 2015 #82
And Anthony Weiner TM99 Jul 2015 #83
Anthony Weiner! BuelahWitch Jul 2015 #141
And while we're on the subject of dispensing stranger81 Jul 2015 #92
Her lackeys have. 840high Jul 2015 #112
She pushed the false meme Vattel Jul 2015 #226
K&R abelenkpe Jul 2015 #3
1991 Sanders lashes out on "tough on crime" legislation. madfloridian Jul 2015 #4
wow, that was awesome. thx for the link Vattel Jul 2015 #7
Make that an OP! artislife Jul 2015 #8
I did post it in the video forum. madfloridian Jul 2015 #12
Thanks for the post. n/t Skwmom Jul 2015 #13
Clinton was not elected until 1992. n/t Skwmom Jul 2015 #22
I edited. His tough on crime came later. He was VERY tough on crime. madfloridian Jul 2015 #39
+10 This is 1991. Bernie doesn't howl or grandstand about all he's done for so long. Yet it must appalachiablue Jul 2015 #144
This needs to be circulated widely! swilton Jul 2015 #9
Since Bernie has a solid history aspirant Jul 2015 #14
Yes, "the reemergence of more videos." madfloridian Jul 2015 #68
This group has very fast media access. That takes money. madfloridian Jul 2015 #15
From what I read and saw of the news coverage O'Malley faired much better. n/t Skwmom Jul 2015 #23
True, though in actuality, Bernie didn't fall into the traps and O'Malley did. hedda_foil Jul 2015 #71
Big money...CNN has interesting article.. madfloridian Jul 2015 #70
The more I read the article... madfloridian Jul 2015 #86
a point missed by sooooooo many people Skittles Jul 2015 #100
Interesting arcane1 Jul 2015 #102
Every time I read it I see something new. madfloridian Jul 2015 #104
July 17, he said this AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #16
I don't expect heaven05 Jul 2015 #27
I hate that you discount all the good work he has done before. Not JUST coming around... madfloridian Jul 2015 #81
Yeah, yeah heaven05 Jul 2015 #133
You should be angry. A lot of us are angry.It seems the left doesn't accomplish anything until they GoneFishin Jul 2015 #153
Not really turning on each other as I see heaven05 Jul 2015 #155
The party leaders have gone center-right, but I really don't thnk the base has. I am not in a red GoneFishin Jul 2015 #161
I hope you're right heaven05 Jul 2015 #220
You are definitely right about the racism. I don't know if the events are worse now or if we are GoneFishin Jul 2015 #222
per last line heaven05 Jul 2015 #223
Frustration and anger jump start a lot of great things artislife Jul 2015 #156
Totally agree. Billionaires can throw money in one focused direction and manipulate the masses, GoneFishin Jul 2015 #160
this is seriously twisted logic 2banon Jul 2015 #166
There's a lot of that going around just now. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #201
so you say heaven05 Jul 2015 #221
"This is 'purple heart bandaid' level stuff here." madfloridian Jul 2015 #36
#Black Lives Matter heaven05 Jul 2015 #25
This has been going on for far too long. Holder did next to nothing about the PotatoChip Jul 2015 #56
He has acknowledged Sandra Bland by name heaven05 Jul 2015 #58
That isn't good enough. Loretta Lynch needs to be working on ALL of the cases. PotatoChip Jul 2015 #61
sarcasm noted heaven05 Jul 2015 #66
Clinton has an army of people working to keep her away from the people she's hurt with the policies whereisjustice Jul 2015 #26
quite an astute analysis heaven05 Jul 2015 #34
Bernie was not "attacked". He was given an opportunity to up his game by listening to their message. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #28
Here's what he was saying when they shouted him down. madfloridian Jul 2015 #32
It was Bernie's turn to listen. Why is that so hard to grasp? scarletwoman Jul 2015 #40
SO...he really wasn't supposed to answer? I'm confused now, really confused. madfloridian Jul 2015 #46
He's supposed to respond by taking on their message as his campaign goes forward. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #53
I have read many of these threads, seriously considering leaving DU permanently. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #54
I'm utterly astonished at some of what I've been seeing since yesterday. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #65
I've almost entirely tuned out, unfortunately. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #72
Honestly, I've posted more this weekend than I have in years. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #85
No, it wasn't Bernie's turn to listen. It was Bernie's turn to speak. And the asses shouted him down Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #59
"Asses"?!? You're calling them "asses"?! scarletwoman Jul 2015 #63
Yeah, they were asses. And apparently clueless about Sanders as well. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #84
The way you guys rip apart black activists like this is why you cannot bring in much black support. bravenak Jul 2015 #97
They were acting like total asses. Thats NOT the way to get people on your side. phleshdef Jul 2015 #103
They did fine. He is now addressing their issues better. bravenak Jul 2015 #105
Wtf. Bernie Sanders has been addressing their issues strongly for ages! phleshdef Jul 2015 #121
Do you not realize that white people lecturing blacks about civil rights is a meme? Stop! bravenak Jul 2015 #122
Oh get over yourself, I'm not lecturing anyone about civil rights. phleshdef Jul 2015 #139
Lol! It's the reason for the #berniesoblack. bravenak Jul 2015 #191
You're just being corrected because you're wrong on the facts. Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #209
Oh, leave me alone. I'm done getting bullied by Sanders afficionados. bravenak Jul 2015 #211
Oh poor you... you are being so put upon. phleshdef Jul 2015 #224
You folks are bleeding voters. Especially black ones. Keep it up. Hillary appreciates it lots. bravenak Jul 2015 #225
No we aren't. You don't represent anyone but yourself. phleshdef Jul 2015 #227
Lol. bravenak Jul 2015 #228
Come now, tell us more how you alone speak for the nation. phleshdef Jul 2015 #229
I have decided to enjoy this. bravenak Jul 2015 #230
You are totally correct. Bernie blew a perfect opportunity to showcase R B Garr Jul 2015 #136
Very well said. nt scarletwoman Jul 2015 #169
Bernie's Turn To Listen? ! omg 2banon Jul 2015 #167
So, you think someone running for office shouldn't bother to listen to potential voters? scarletwoman Jul 2015 #168
What you fail to understand is BLM is the civil rights movement giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #29
Here's what he was saying when they shouted him down. madfloridian Jul 2015 #33
And people are saying he was "booed off the stage"? arcane1 Jul 2015 #43
Yep, he was spinning it back to the unemployment bs. giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #48
He was speaking of the justice system. Unemployment is not BS. madfloridian Jul 2015 #52
Bernie Sanders is incapable of addressing the social injustices giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #55
Why is he incapable of it? madfloridian Jul 2015 #60
Well he has failed to do so thus far. giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #62
Wow! NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #120
You think getting heaven05 Jul 2015 #57
+1000 giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #64
+ a brazillion! nt tblue37 Jul 2015 #106
Unemployment BS? Gifted girl, indeed. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #163
I have a question Scootaloo Jul 2015 #180
The DOJ and SCOTUS. We need to remove local police autonomy msanthrope Jul 2015 #186
well you can see heaven05 Jul 2015 #38
He always diverts back to economics which is why he got giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #51
If you cannot see the big picture and how everything is related then there is no hope for you LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #154
"looses their vote" aspirant Jul 2015 #41
I will vote for whomever wins the nomination, duh. giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #50
Yes, I am learning we never mention that he walked with MLK madfloridian Jul 2015 #69
have you looked druidity33 Jul 2015 #77
No he did not go to Ferguson or Baltimore TM99 Jul 2015 #142
Thanks madfloridian for this post. haikugal Jul 2015 #30
Why wasn't Hillary at the Netroots dust up? jalan48 Jul 2015 #31
Very good question. DamnYankeeInHouston Jul 2015 #35
She was at a fundraiser, and she didn't do well in 2007. jeff47 Jul 2015 #37
2007? Well, I'm sure she's changed her position by now to appear more favorable to the group. jalan48 Jul 2015 #42
In this case, she changed her geographic position arcane1 Jul 2015 #45
Hillary can't change her vote for the Iraq war. John Poet Jul 2015 #137
It's not a scripted, manged, sanitized venue with paid supporters and pre-approved questions. whereisjustice Jul 2015 #44
Sounds like she's getting the Academy Award-it's her turn this time. jalan48 Jul 2015 #47
Thanks, mad, for all you do. nt antigop Jul 2015 #49
What he has said and done is not accepted as enough. madfloridian Jul 2015 #67
Because it isn't. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #73
I do not think it is right to shut down candidates' voices. madfloridian Jul 2015 #75
Grrr I have a very strong opinion on this F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #76
I am sorry you are disappointed in my stance this. madfloridian Jul 2015 #98
Excellent post, madfloridian! K&R! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #74
Thanks. I'm glad I posted it. madfloridian Jul 2015 #78
madfloridian, I am heartbroken over the whole thing. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #79
Why would you be heartbroken? It didn't damage Bernie, it gave him an opportunity to get bigger. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #87
You can not say there's no damage done. madfloridian Jul 2015 #88
There will only be damage if Bernie doesn't work with BLM. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #89
I am a white liberal Bernie supporter. I know for sure I am not the only one madfloridian Jul 2015 #90
But what are you really bothered by? scarletwoman Jul 2015 #91
Did you watch even one of the videos? Have times changed so much that ambush and shouting madfloridian Jul 2015 #93
What is acceptable behavior when you feel like your life, and the lives of all your loved ones scarletwoman Jul 2015 #96
I have no doubt in my candidate. madfloridian Jul 2015 #99
They tried tonight, to make him an anti-immigrant racist militia supporter arcane1 Jul 2015 #101
Are you old enough to remember 1968? Chicago? Methinks you hearken msanthrope Jul 2015 #187
This is a discussion I cannot have. You will have to excuse me. nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #131
I'm glad you posted. Thank you. 840high Jul 2015 #113
Bernie talked about BLM in June and maybe earlier. He should credit for that. madfloridian Jul 2015 #94
What puts the lie to this manufactured scandal here on DU is this: Maedhros Jul 2015 #152
kickety cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #95
You know what Flo? You really have to stop this. You are making Bernie's job harder. bravenak Jul 2015 #107
No way to respond to that, bravenak. madfloridian Jul 2015 #108
The way to respond is to listen to my advice and take it. bravenak Jul 2015 #110
Who appointed you black people's 840high Jul 2015 #116
I'm being fucking helpful. You just can't see it. Open your eyes. This is a meme now. bravenak Jul 2015 #117
Since the murders continue aspirant Jul 2015 #172
Why deflect to them? Because they are black? They did not create this monster and it needs to be bravenak Jul 2015 #174
No deflection, it's their job. aspirant Jul 2015 #178
It's EVERYONES job. Everyones. If our allies do not care about our very lives they are NOT allies. bravenak Jul 2015 #179
Which "everyones" has the power aspirant Jul 2015 #185
White people. They have not done it. Therefore, BLM heckles candidates. bravenak Jul 2015 #189
You have continously avoided aspirant Jul 2015 #192
White progressives have pretty much started a 'bully black people into voting for Bernie campaign'. bravenak Jul 2015 #194
I never watch Fox propaganda but obviously you do aspirant Jul 2015 #196
Oh, look! You're the victim now! bravenak Jul 2015 #197
...and your still the "feel good" Fox Regular aspirant Jul 2015 #198
Sure. Keep bullying me so I can keep reminding black folks not to vote for Sanders. bravenak Jul 2015 #199
Oh, you're the Victim now aspirant Jul 2015 #206
Glad you think that. Of course you know my mind better than I do. Of course. bravenak Jul 2015 #207
Madfloridian is such a poor, poor thing aspirant Jul 2015 #212
I swear I asked you to stop bullying me and leave me the fuck alone. bravenak Jul 2015 #213
Simple solution, stop responding aspirant Jul 2015 #216
Just letting you show off how great you are at bullying black people for Sanders. Good job! bravenak Jul 2015 #217
progressive circular firing squad 6chars Jul 2015 #231
Uh huh. bravenak Jul 2015 #232
Well most definitely not you, B has every right to speak up giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #126
They are not taking this very well. bravenak Jul 2015 #134
Is the President and AG "misinformed" too? aspirant Jul 2015 #173
Bravenak is right on target. NOLALady Jul 2015 #140
. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #200
Along with great privilege comes great responsibility. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #164
That was excellent advise that I gave her. bravenak Jul 2015 #165
She'll cha cha slide herself right into the nomination. 840high Jul 2015 #114
I'm dead ass serious and I do not like her. bravenak Jul 2015 #115
Let me tell you something - I had some 840high Jul 2015 #118
We ALL make that face. But to us, it's better the devil you know... bravenak Jul 2015 #119
"show up at functions" aspirant Jul 2015 #175
She spends alot of time in the black community. She got boo'd there before. bravenak Jul 2015 #176
"got boo'd there before" aspirant Jul 2015 #181
It was years ago. She has not gone since. I'm waiting until they heckle her. bravenak Jul 2015 #182
"She has not gone since" aspirant Jul 2015 #188
Look how your acting. So put the fuck out that those black activists are not activisting the way you bravenak Jul 2015 #190
Maybe HRC would learn something too if she cared to attend aspirant Jul 2015 #203
Why do you keep bringing HRC up? I don't even LIKE her. Go talk to somebody else about HRC. bravenak Jul 2015 #205
Just making sure that aspirant Jul 2015 #214
So you bully black people on the internet about it? bravenak Jul 2015 #215
I'm not bullying anyone BYE BYE aspirant Jul 2015 #218
FINALLY bravenak Jul 2015 #219
Cool story, bro RandiFan1290 Jul 2015 #123
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #124
I feel bad for them. Like we're leaving them on Pompeii while the volcano blows. bravenak Jul 2015 #125
They really can't be this clueless..... giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #127
Hell, they tell me MLK was really about economic justice after he GOT OVER all the sjw stuff. bravenak Jul 2015 #129
I really pissed them off yesterday in one of their boo hoo fests giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #130
Lol!! bravenak Jul 2015 #132
Wow. Okay. n/t. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #162
Hillary aspirant Jul 2015 #170
It was a joke. You guys are just. Sigh. bravenak Jul 2015 #171
So you joke while madfloridian is hurt. aspirant Jul 2015 #183
Is she hurt? Poor thang. She seems well enough to excoriate black activists. She's hurt, we're DYING bravenak Jul 2015 #184
So scream at Bernie while more continue to die aspirant Jul 2015 #193
That's the ticket. Keep blaming racism on the Black president. Black will like Bernie for sure if bravenak Jul 2015 #195
No, the President and all his governmental powers aspirant Jul 2015 #208
I just asked you to go bully somebody the fuck else for Sanders. There are other black folks for you bravenak Jul 2015 #210
Probably not--they can't get past Repub security to express themselves there eridani Jul 2015 #111
What does that say about Hillary, aspirant Jul 2015 #177
It never mattered what Bernie said or stands for. Never. djean111 Jul 2015 #128
If they can force others to not look TM99 Jul 2015 #135
No, it never did, and nor will it, apparently. historylovr Jul 2015 #138
Native Americans are being killed by police onecaliberal Jul 2015 #143
Yes. Yes, they are. Why is no one shouting about this? historylovr Jul 2015 #157
You're welcome. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #158
Here's the problem skepticscott Jul 2015 #145
I continue to wonder why they're not onecaliberal Jul 2015 #146
Why indeed? 840high Jul 2015 #159
Bernie does indeed have a stellar history and record on civil rights, and we need to do a better job WIProgressive88 Jul 2015 #147
I'm out of GDP, tired of being called names. madfloridian Jul 2015 #148
I sincerely apologize. The latter portion of my post was intended to lay out what I see as being at WIProgressive88 Jul 2015 #149
You didn't. madfloridian Jul 2015 #150
I have edited my initial post to hopefully make it clearer and more on topic. WIProgressive88 Jul 2015 #151
Thanks for posting. Thanks Bernie. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #202
Do you want their votes, or do you just want to feel that Bernie has been 'wronged'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #204
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