2016 Postmortem

BainsBane

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71. I think his point was that it was three decades ago

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:35 PM

Jul 2015

and not her current platform. Bernie had some questionable language in the past too. I don't see it as relevant to his candidacy today.

Also, I saw you say you are Canadian, so why are you so concerned about how Americans see their Democratic presidential options? I get that you are totally entitled to your opinions. I don't dispute that. I'm just trying to figure out why you would be quite so in the weeds with this.

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No. Hillary Clinton did not call people on welfare, "deadbeats." (edit: internet slooow) [View all] Cerridwen Jul 2015 OP

Are you saying they deliberately distorted it that badly? BainsBane Jul 2015 #1

Isnt this lie being used to attack Hillary here at this forum? AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #53

It is true. Here is a link to the article in which she call poor people on welfare 'deadbeats'. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #85

Looks like it is taken out of context to me. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #86

And that can be your opinion but it shows that the OP is wrong. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #87

But the article you are showing has no context at all. I will look again but that AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #88

Did you ever find that context? nt Walk away Jul 2015 #101

I linked to the entire article. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #103

A 13-year old quote totally taken out of context (if that article is really accurate anyway!) George II Jul 2015 #94

"Now that we've said okasha Jul 2015 #97

Right....she was almost sarcastically quoting someone else. A Costanza type quote. George II Jul 2015 #98

That's exactly what it looks like to me. okasha Jul 2015 #99

i was wondering why it didn't come up during the 2008 campaign JI7 Jul 2015 #2

Well if need you ask......... Historic NY Jul 2015 #28

Perhaps because what is "reported" isn't really what happened? George II Jul 2015 #95

Ok, posters who floated that "welfare deadbeat" assertion, how is this post wrong? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #3

I posted questions in those threads BainsBane Jul 2015 #4

Thanks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #5

see #9 Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #10

I asked someone what they meant by "deadbeat," but I did not get an answer. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #17

I now understand the way Hillary used the word "deadbeat," but something still bothers me. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #19

In one scenario leftynyc Jul 2015 #23

don't want to speak for someone else.... restorefreedom Jul 2015 #30

I agree with you that income leftynyc Jul 2015 #31

the bad kids tend to get the whole class in trouble restorefreedom Jul 2015 #35

But first we seem to have to prove leftynyc Jul 2015 #36

i think a couple of issues have gotten intertwined restorefreedom Jul 2015 #37

That's an excellent point and leftynyc Jul 2015 #39

i think it will be THE issue in 2016 restorefreedom Jul 2015 #40

I think you put your finger on the issue that troubles me. I don't know where I stand on it. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #74

Because the important issue here is not what you or I or the mother wants, but the JDPriestly Jul 2015 #81

As someone who grew up on Welfare BainsBane Jul 2015 #34

Yes. But still I question why we are focusing on that "lazy" woman who stays at home. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #79

I agree with all of that BainsBane Jul 2015 #90

Actually, JD, she did call welfare recipients deadbeats. You can read the 2002 Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #44

Because she did say it about those on welfare. The deadbeat dads quote is an Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #43

Right. The Gazette couldn't have misquoted her. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #96

""deadbeat parents." < Since most work who get these that's just a filthy republican tactic, and any jtuck004 Jul 2015 #6

I'm not clear on what you're saying. Could you please flesh it out a bit. Thanks. n/t Cerridwen Jul 2015 #7

So everyone here on DU who called Joe Walsh a deadbeat dad is a Republican troll? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #8

I define a deadbeat as someone who got something they didn't work for. Almost anyone who jtuck004 Jul 2015 #16

I believe all these quotes check out as legit. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #9

That's very nice however the deadbeats quote was from a 2002 interview not '96'98 or 2000 azurnoir Jul 2015 #11

There's always been this disturbing tendency among some supporters of 'outsider' candidates to... wyldwolf Jul 2015 #12

Actually she did say people on welfare were deadbeats, and not just "dads". Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #15

was she misquoted? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #25

thanks for the added link however it only covers Talking it over article and for April of 2002 when azurnoir Jul 2015 #13

Those who want to continue to believe the worst BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #14

Excellent, thoughtful post. (eom) oasis Jul 2015 #20

I've tried to tell them ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #24

We could go back a few decades and find some pretty ugly things that Bernie Sanders said, you know, MADem Jul 2015 #29

"Could"? More like DID. And failed. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #58

I think the poutrage that ensued suggested that the arrow hit its mark. MADem Jul 2015 #60

She felt the need to pander to the small-government types, so she used "deadbeats." Maedhros Jul 2015 #64

From the tone of your post, BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #100

I judge Hillary by the same standards as I do any politician. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #104

These hit pieces keep getting posted on DU and nothing stopping them liberal N proud Jul 2015 #18

Posters who feverishly post hit pieces on Democrats, reveal more about themselves. oasis Jul 2015 #22

There is no smear against Hillary Clinton that won't be attempted sufrommich Jul 2015 #21

truth isn't smear Livluvgrow Jul 2015 #26

She did right here ibegurpard Jul 2015 #27

Yeah, that didn't sound like Hillary. tblue Jul 2015 #32

Except that she was that tactless (link to screen shot of the 2002 article) Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #41

Huh? Here's a screenshot of the newspaper article. "Deadbeats". pa28 Jul 2015 #33

Well, at least they admit that the language and thought is reprehensible. delrem Jul 2015 #38

Debunked: People have wrongly claimed Hillary was only referring to "deadbeat dads" Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #42

"Deadbeat dads" or plain ol' "deadbeats", you're beating "dead horses" file it oasis Jul 2015 #45

Stage 1 - deny whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #47

I'll go with Stage 2, "minimize importance" since "deadbeat gate" oasis Jul 2015 #50

It's not going anywhere whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #52

Not "meaningful" in the GE. No republican will play the PC Card. oasis Jul 2015 #54

It's meaningful to me whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #55

Oooookay. (eom) oasis Jul 2015 #57

Look, we all decide what we most care about BainsBane Jul 2015 #66

Credit to you... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #102

It seems to me if it is important to you Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #91

Explain the context to us, please. frylock Jul 2015 #93

I see. Republicans, the whole clown car, are perfectly in tune with that language. delrem Jul 2015 #69

I think his point was that it was three decades ago BainsBane Jul 2015 #71

It shows a mindset. It's connected her husband's actual policy. delrem Jul 2015 #72

It wasn't a complaint BainsBane Jul 2015 #73

I realize that Bernie's foreign policy is nearly identical to all the others, D and R. delrem Jul 2015 #76

You're simply wrong that Obama is a neocon or like them BainsBane Jul 2015 #89

I disagree. n/t delrem Jul 2015 #92

in what way does Sanders' "questionable language" relate to policy? frylock Jul 2015 #83

and this ain't the GE.. frylock Jul 2015 #82

Point made BainsBane Jul 2015 #49

You are simply wrong. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #56

How is he wrong? BainsBane Jul 2015 #59

The OP found another, separate context in which Hillary used the word deadbeat. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #63

I see BainsBane Jul 2015 #65

I'm saying the OP is an exercise in prestidigitation. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #67

Buzzfeed quoted a 2002 article. You linked to a couple of 2000 articles. n/t ieoeja Jul 2015 #46

Tomatoes, tomaaatoes the "controversy" is ancient history. oasis Jul 2015 #61

So an article about tomatoes in 2000 is identical to an article in 2002 about rocks? ieoeja Jul 2015 #68

Yeah that's the thing. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #70

Thank you for the research, Cerridwen. nt Hekate Jul 2015 #48

Here is some better research which proves the OP wrong. Hillary did call poor people deadbeats. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #80

K and R--and thanks riversedge Jul 2015 #51

Thanks for what? Misinformation? The OP has been debunked Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #78

this is simply amazing to behold.. frylock Jul 2015 #84

Yes. She most certainly did. You quoted an *entirely different* article. kath Jul 2015 #62

Thanks for clarifying Sheepshank Jul 2015 #75

The OP has been thoroughly debunked Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #77

Kick & Recommended. William769 Jul 2015 #105

What about this? pjpw2320 Apr 2016 #106