2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: No. Hillary Clinton did not call people on welfare, "deadbeats." (edit: internet slooow) [View all]delrem
(9,688 posts)Different personalities, different nuance, but the same basic substance.
But the nuance matters.
E.g., Pres. Obama follows Pres. Bush in WoT, from what I see there's seemingly no real change. Same PNAC program delivered the destruction of Libya (now a hotbed of terror), regime change and destruction of Syria (now a hotbed of terror), Afghanistan war out of the news but still chugging along, proxy bombing of Yemen, ... BUT, e.g. Pres. Obama brokered a deal with Iran, as is in the news now, and NO OTHER president would have done that, D or R. And I include HRC in that assessment. So a certain nuance, an ability to push back, to think beyond the moment, has a positive consequence. That's why I joined the whole world of "progressives" and so-called "moderates" in cheering Obama's victories, esp. in '08 and also in '12. I put no such hope in HRC. None.
Likewise the very existence of Pres. Obama is a triumph, regardless of whatever D or R might say about how the problem of racism is "just the same", the very existence of Pres. Obama shows that there's been movement - glacially slow, but there. And that's important.
So nuance matters. Just getting a decent platform out there, mentioned even in passing, matters.
I like what I've been hearing of O'Malley. Not all, but ... I wish he was getting more traction.
(eta: the reason that you know that I'm Canadian is because I've been careful to put that disclaimer on so many of my posts, so it's known that I'm sensitive to the fact that my interlocutor has every right to reject my opinion for that reason.)