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Alfalfa

(161 posts)
32. Her foreign affair record includes the disaster that was Libya
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 09:19 AM
Aug 2015

And what she said later about Gaddafi's death was in extremely poor taste.

Name recognition. Scuba Aug 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #8
Foreign policy? Are you kidding me? jfern Aug 2015 #273
........ daleanime Aug 2015 #275
In my opinion Hillary has the advantage of better name reognition, yes, but I also do see Cal33 Aug 2015 #264
If you're a Wall Streeter, Hillary's pro-banking agenda...if you're a CEO, her pro-corporate policies...if you're part of the military complex, her pro-war voting record. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #276
Electability for one. DCBob Aug 2015 #2
Foreign policy-she never meet a war she didn't like.... daleanime Aug 2015 #7
Clearly she has more experience than Bernie in FP. DCBob Aug 2015 #9
If her 'better angels' haven't emerged in the past.... daleanime Aug 2015 #15
The Iraq War vote was tough one for many. DCBob Aug 2015 #40
Most elected Democrats got it right MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #46
+1000 FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #66
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #73
+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Aug 2015 #266
That's because they didn't read the intel jfern Aug 2015 #274
Hillary certainly has more experience organizing failed regime change in Libya and Syria leveymg Aug 2015 #92
Nice RW talking point. DCBob Aug 2015 #93
Point made about HRC's record as SoS is factual, unfortunately. It isn't a RW talking point. leveymg Aug 2015 #118
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #126
those are some damaged buildings 6chars Aug 2015 #150
What Are " Better Angels" - Sounds Like Wishful Thinking cantbeserious Aug 2015 #105
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #30
+ 1 lunamagica Aug 2015 #104
Electability? MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #35
Any yet he polls well behind her in every poll I have seen in matchups with GOP candidates. DCBob Aug 2015 #37
Only to the degree that people don't know him (yet) MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #43
Who says getting to know him will help him?? DCBob Aug 2015 #50
His net positives tell the tale. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #52
Not always.. DCBob Aug 2015 #63
I disagree. For decades politicians have engaged in 'correct speak' aided by PatrickforO Aug 2015 #129
++ Vincardog Aug 2015 #137
That may be appealing to some and at the same time turn off others. DCBob Aug 2015 #240
Is electability a liberal policy she will implement that he wouldn't? Vincardog Aug 2015 #135
A candidate with no appeal to the 63% is not "more electable" n/t eridani Aug 2015 #190
Her negatives are not that high. Granted they are higher than her positives, This thread is about Vincardog Aug 2015 #199
I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about the fact that she has no appeal whatsoever eridani Aug 2015 #203
That may be true but this thread is looking for POLICIES where she is better than Bernie. We can't Vincardog Aug 2015 #207
OK, can't think of any policies where she is better. Not even gun control eridani Aug 2015 #210
The solid blue wall in the Electoral College virtually guarantees that any totodeinhere Aug 2015 #231
Nothing is guaranteed in politics. DCBob Aug 2015 #239
I have been informed it is Money. Pure and simple. Office for sale, it seems. djean111 Aug 2015 #3
HRC - Controlled By Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - A Favorite Friend Of The 1% cantbeserious Aug 2015 #106
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #115
"as far as bills that might actually get passed, there is no difference" DanTex Aug 2015 #4
But the compromises would be better Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #254
I don't think that's clear. One could also argue that starting with single payer DanTex Aug 2015 #258
Hillary has never maneuvered against the GOP. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #260
She has a better record on women's and childrens issues. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #5
"She is well known world wide. " - That is an issue? Good grief. djean111 Aug 2015 #6
Simply put she foreign experience and a relationship with world leaders, she would not have to Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #11
OMG. You are laying the blame for the Iraq war, not on the people who voted for and shilled for it, djean111 Aug 2015 #16
Facts are facts, perhaps you are not aware of Bernie's votes on war funding. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #20
There hasn't been a war funding bill Bernie hasn't voted yes on. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #25
Once the troops are there, you think the thing to do is leave them without support? djean111 Aug 2015 #31
Funny how they don't answer that. nt. neverforget Aug 2015 #88
It is pathetic and quite illuminating that they do not answer that. djean111 Aug 2015 #89
To that I say: Yup. Turchinsky Aug 2015 #211
HC voted for the war and gets a pass, Bernie voted to support the troops and he's the bad guy. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #162
Well, give them credit for a very bizarre spin. A spin that would not go over very well djean111 Aug 2015 #166
Hillary voted to send my brother to Ramadi. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #167
Yep - 840high Aug 2015 #221
He voted against the Iraq War. Had there been no war, there'd be no war funding. nt valerief Aug 2015 #228
And she has money and can get more blah, blah blah. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #21
Who is talking about her money? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #139
Her foreign affair record includes the disaster that was Libya Alfalfa Aug 2015 #32
And what foreign experience does Bernie have? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #41
That was the same thing they asked about Obama prior to 2008 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #54
Obama was smart enough to get Hillary as SOS. He also surrounded himself with very capable Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #56
I actually don't think the decision was that smart Alfalfa Aug 2015 #58
He had to give her something. 840high Aug 2015 #222
And yet Obama gave Afghanistan and Iraq to Biden because he didn't trust Hillary to do what's right. Exilednight Aug 2015 #243
Gosh that reminds me of something azurnoir Aug 2015 #83
IT's 3 AM AND I'VE GOT TO TALK TO HILLARY!!! John Poet Aug 2015 #114
Isn't that Palin's point? Errrrrrrr wel. Done? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #117
Certainly not enough to challenge Hillary's record of war-mongering. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #134
What liberal policy/policies will she implement that he wouldn't? Vincardog Aug 2015 #132
You tell me which policies he would not implement. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #140
The question is about Hillary. What liberal policies would she pass? Support her position! Vincardog Aug 2015 #142
These Hillary supporters.. they don't have any concrete facts, so they come up with some bullshit. Turchinsky Aug 2015 #215
Then I see a lot of threads acusing Bernie supporters of swarming attacking Vincardog Aug 2015 #216
No, she doesn't. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #161
She sponsored a bill on minimum wage and another bill to tie minimum wage increases to Cingressional Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #164
Not good enough, Hillary. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #165
Unless said women and children are inconveniently located under US bombs n/t eridani Aug 2015 #192
link Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #197
Are you telling me you need yet another link to Clinton's advocacy of the Iraq war? eridani Aug 2015 #198
No, I want a link to your post #192. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #201
You need links to demonstrate that women and children were slaughtered in our ME adventures? eridani Aug 2015 #205
I thought you read an article saying what you said in #192. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #206
What I said in #192 was what any rational person would concede to be results of eridani Aug 2015 #209
Yes, I have wondered why Bernie voted for AUMF, this funded the bombs, and also troop expansion. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #212
All of which could not happen without approval of the war in the first place. eridani Aug 2015 #214
If the bombs was not have been funded it would not have happened. The funding was the most Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #217
Neither would body armor for our soldiers have been funded eridani Aug 2015 #220
Dodging, I did not talk about body armors for our soldiers, I and not dodging that Hillary voted for Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #230
Sanders is also not criticising Obama's Iran policy from the right eridani Aug 2015 #232
Bernie is also, it helps the defense contractors. He votes for the funding of wars because the Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #246
Don't vote FOR wars, and you never have to worry about funding them n/t eridani Aug 2015 #268
There has not been one issue posted so far that Bernie doesn't actually have a stronger record on Live and Learn Aug 2015 #10
You're wrong about the gun bill. Every other industry except for the gun industry *can* be DanTex Aug 2015 #19
What other industry can be sued for the misuse of their product? Live and Learn Aug 2015 #283
All of them. Look at the text of the bill, it only applies to the gun industry. DanTex Aug 2015 #285
He has a record of voting no on trade agreements, this is a responsibility of a president, he can't Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #23
The POTUS works for us, not corporations. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #168
I am not using his strengths against him, the job he is running for requires he deal with trade. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #173
1) Bernie doesn't work for defense contractors beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #174
Okay, whatever you say. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #175
No, not "whatever" I say. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #177
I have been truthful, I have said what I need to say, I don't need to this back and forth. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #179
I sometimes wonder if you thiink simply getting the last word in, Live and Learn Aug 2015 #284
post#179 Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #286
Bernie has the international experience of my pet schnauzer. Short list of other stuff... Sancho Aug 2015 #12
Thanks for those govtrack links at the bottom with the leadership scores. DanTex Aug 2015 #17
Good post Sancho, yes she has board experience also, has served on a presidential cabinet also. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #26
Obama also had the international experience of your pet schnauzer. djean111 Aug 2015 #33
I think his lack of experience has hurt Obama... Sancho Aug 2015 #47
I wouldn't say those "problems" are due to President Obama's "inexperience". DCBob Aug 2015 #69
I fully admit that Obama inherited an international (and domestic) mess. Sancho Aug 2015 #98
Sure.. it never hurts to have experience.. DCBob Aug 2015 #101
That is not totally correct Armstead Aug 2015 #85
I don't think Bernie has experience... Sancho Aug 2015 #96
So was James Baker Armstead Aug 2015 #100
Bernie Madoff should be Secretary of the Treasury by those measures. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #42
She voted to go to war with Iran?? JaneyVee Aug 2015 #44
Posting without caffeine is a dangerous thing MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #48
They will be "Special Advisors" and promptly ignored Armstead Aug 2015 #202
Funny that you mention Madoff...that's a common meme here in FL...vote for "another Bernie" Sancho Aug 2015 #62
Do all of those links point to Sanders' desire for already-budgeted jobs MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #80
Some do...others refer to years of courting Locheed Martin.... Sancho Aug 2015 #90
911 and Iraq? I think you must have misspoken. Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #102
For people on DU there was never a connection... Sancho Aug 2015 #122
I will be candid. Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #136
Great post! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #78
Are any of those LIBERAL policies? Vincardog Aug 2015 #143
Generally Hillary makes progressive or liberal decisions...she's a fairly liberal Democrat... Sancho Aug 2015 #151
The question for thread is "On what issue is Hillary better than Bernie"? Respectfully this is not Vincardog Aug 2015 #152
I published a few ways in #12.... Sancho Aug 2015 #154
I saw the pet schnauzer post and believe it is a nice historical portrate of activities, Vincardog Aug 2015 #155
Ok...this could take a while, because there's lots of details...but here goes one at a time. Sancho Aug 2015 #237
I see a lot of hot air. Ballanced Budget nonsence and vague suggestions. Where is Free Education for Vincardog Aug 2015 #259
"Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still." Sancho Aug 2015 #262
We will have to agree to disagree. " The Financial Transaction Tax is a HORRIBLE idea " BS we had Vincardog Aug 2015 #263
There are lots of disagreements about the FTTs...including the chances that it would ever pass... Sancho Aug 2015 #265
Using David Brock's site? Turchinsky Aug 2015 #229
Links are simply convenient...it's not like it's hard to check Hillary's record. Sancho Aug 2015 #234
Job creation, economic growth, gun control, race issues, national security... JaneyVee Aug 2015 #14
Job Creation?!! Sorry, trickle-down doesn't work. fbc Aug 2015 #282
She is simply more prepared than Bernie for the Office of President. DCBob Aug 2015 #18
He has more experience... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #22
Comparisons to President Obama are absurd. DCBob Aug 2015 #27
Correct. Bernie holds traditional Democratic values. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #51
.. NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #124
Word. 840high Aug 2015 #223
Obama is not running this time so it is the present candidates experience and abilities. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #28
It's a perfectly valid comparison. HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #29
Its still an issue when being compared to someone with tons more experience. DCBob Aug 2015 #34
We'll have to agree to disagree. HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #39
This is why I am a Hillary supporter, she supports my ideals more than the other declared DNC Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #53
Well, HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #55
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #60
Which women's issues specifically are we talking about? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #57
Better pay for women? Then why doesn't she support a federal minimum wage of $15/hr? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #160
Yes, and George W was also elected, terrible president, did a lot of wrong things, took down two Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #49
He was a governor HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #61
And a terrible governor I might add. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #68
Of a state with an exceptionally weak governor dsc Aug 2015 #113
"Prepared" = loaded up with corporate $$$$. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #71
Opinions, Opinions, Opinions - Where Are The - Facts, Facts, Facts cantbeserious Aug 2015 #107
Here you go.. DCBob Aug 2015 #242
The Opinions Of Others - Does Not List Actual Acomplishments - Only Allusions To Accomplishments cantbeserious Aug 2015 #247
Not opinions.. these are actual items of experience. ie.. Senator, Secretary of State, etc. DCBob Aug 2015 #248
So - What Did She Do Other Than Hold An Office cantbeserious Aug 2015 #249
Read again what I posted earlier.. there are specific accomplishments there. DCBob Aug 2015 #250
Read Again - Reads As Excessive Posturing To These Eyes And Ears cantbeserious Aug 2015 #257
It's hard to come up with anything... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #24
I think Bernie supporters (and I am one) pooh pooh the electibility argument. el_bryanto Aug 2015 #36
The candidate of "hardworking people, white people" wil be better at protecting black communities? eridani Aug 2015 #195
If that were the only thing she had ever said than I'd agree with you el_bryanto Aug 2015 #269
That she was willing to say it to attack a black presidential candidate is appalling eridani Aug 2015 #270
Immigration dsc Aug 2015 #38
I disagree with your interpretation, but I appreciate that you have raised an actual issue Armstead Aug 2015 #97
It really doesn't matter what either of us think Sanders position is dsc Aug 2015 #99
Well, I think if you really look at his past.... Armstead Aug 2015 #103
I think many of us who want a CLEAN immigration bill passed would support him because he WOULD too! cascadiance Aug 2015 #204
+ 1 lunamagica Aug 2015 #112
I think you can expect she would implement NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #45
Why don't YOU come up with the issues on which Sanders is better than Clinton, okay? George II Aug 2015 #59
Here's my list... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #72
Has he articulated just how he intends to implement those things? George II Aug 2015 #125
How does... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #141
He would need a solid progressive majority Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2015 #267
Are you a ringer who is really working for Sanders? Armstead Aug 2015 #108
The entire premise of the OP is argumentative with an undertone of one with a chip on one's shoulder George II Aug 2015 #127
That's and easy one. NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #111
because that is easy Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #145
HRC is better at taking donations from Wall St CEOs and Corporate Super Packs FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #64
and can Sanders beat the Republicans without money? Can't deny that either! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #65
Nope - just the Working Class - aka: The 99% FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #67
Keep telling yourself Bernie can get elected on dreams and wishes alone... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #74
Sorry - I won't be supporting any more Corp Shills FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #75
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #76
You keep telling yourself that FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #77
I have reality on my side.....I am the realist in this conversation... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #79
Everyone dies. Nothing lasts. Therefore nothing ultimately matters.THAT'S REALITY. Armstead Aug 2015 #87
uh Huh??? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #94
Just a visceral response to that ever-present dismissive putdown using that word Armstead Aug 2015 #110
Obviously under the circumstances....my "position" is that our opponents VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #116
So, you believe Clinton to be the better candidate NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #119
A reasonable point Armstead Aug 2015 #121
I think you (guys) lose a lot of credibility with the "both parties the same" bullshit. Everytime I bettyellen Aug 2015 #169
No the paarties are different, But too often not different enough. Armstead Aug 2015 #170
See, this rhetoric (even this Yes- but...' REPLY) is ridiculous- you are focused on economics ONLY bettyellen Aug 2015 #171
I suppose not everyone is concerned with the economy. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #172
No I am not. It's economics and power and all that stems from those Armstead Aug 2015 #180
Because "Real Dems" should only support Corporate Shills... NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #144
A real Dem sides with the 99%. 840high Aug 2015 #224
Obama got elected on Hope and Change... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #86
She is much better at representing the interests of the very rich. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #70
I did not know a president was only supposed to represent the interest of a few, I thought it was Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #91
He will much more - Hillary owes too 840high Aug 2015 #225
"but as far as bills that might actually get passed, there is no difference." qazplm Aug 2015 #81
One difference is the number of years spent in Congress, 1991 to present for Bernie, Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #109
None newfie11 Aug 2015 #82
Winning a general election? nt COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #84
I think any democrat has a good chance of winning the upcoming general... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #95
Gun control, women's rights BainsBane Aug 2015 #120
Could you be more specific Alfalfa Aug 2015 #130
Clinton is much more forceful in defense of reproductive rights BainsBane Aug 2015 #138
On issues, she is not better than Bernie. She has name recognition and money. peacebird Aug 2015 #123
Yeah, that one. stone space Aug 2015 #128
I think that your question would be better posed this way: BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #131
Influence, women, social justice,... NCTraveler Aug 2015 #133
Bill isn't running. Influence isn't an issue, Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #147
"Bill isn't running." Seriously? NCTraveler Aug 2015 #149
It sounded like you used Bill as a reason to support Hillary Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #191
The two are detached by the comma as was the part before and the part after that you didn't bold. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #233
ok, I thought you were describing his respect around the world Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #236
Virtually none and if any rare thing like women's health it is a great record to TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #146
Over 140 replies so far, and not one straight answer to your OP. arcane1 Aug 2015 #148
Ikr? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #153
The only 2 possibilities that I have seen Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #157
She doesn't draw nearly as many fanatics rock Aug 2015 #156
IMO she draws only fanatics. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #158
"Fanatics" not "fans" rock Aug 2015 #159
I was trying to be nice Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #163
Well, I was trying to be nice too rock Aug 2015 #200
Then you should switch allegences Armstead Aug 2015 #208
Why should I switch allegiances? rock Aug 2015 #218
My headline was a bad joke about "who's a fanatic" Armstead Aug 2015 #219
OK, I get it rock Aug 2015 #253
You started using that word, not me. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #238
Neat how you avoided addressing my original point rock Aug 2015 #244
Yes I did Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #245
Perfectly clear rock Aug 2015 #251
The way Hillary supporters freak out when Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #252
Bookmarked Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #176
Bernie seems to be running against Obama's legacy and Hillary is running on solidifying it and bravenak Aug 2015 #178
Against it? To me it looks like he wants to broaden most of it. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #181
Bernie said he thought Obama should be primaried. Look in the AA group. On Tobin's thread. bravenak Aug 2015 #184
To try and move him to the left. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #187
I don't care why. Obama is the Democratic President of the Untited States and our first black one. bravenak Aug 2015 #188
By that logic Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #189
Trying to move him to the left while his supporters trash him? bravenak Aug 2015 #193
OK, thanks for admitting this is not a rational argument. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #194
Exactly. We agree with him and love him. bravenak Aug 2015 #196
I'm a Sanders supporter.... Turchinsky Aug 2015 #226
Here: bravenak Aug 2015 #186
+1, I figure if they don't like that guy then they'l hate me uponit7771 Aug 2015 #261
Stumped. artislife Aug 2015 #182
Unlimited life lines. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #183
Heee! nt artislife Aug 2015 #185
Odd question. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #213
I am looking for a rational reason to support her Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #241
You know what scares me in this thread? DebJ Aug 2015 #227
That's because of gerrymandering gollygee Aug 2015 #235
can you see 60 Senate seats for us in 2017? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #255
Wow. More than 250 responses, yet no HRC supporter has been able to answer the question in the OP: kath Aug 2015 #256
OK, what's a policy that Sanders would implement that Clinton wouldn't? Recursion Aug 2015 #272
On the issue of being able to win a national election, which is the most important issue Recursion Aug 2015 #271
No, that isn't the topic being discussed here Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #278
Yes, it really is Recursion Aug 2015 #279
Not at all, we think he can win and win big. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #280
HRC voted pro-cluster bombs; Bernie sponsored legislation banning them Divernan Aug 2015 #277
Working with Wall Street Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #281
Shareholder value. nt raouldukelives Aug 2015 #287
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