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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
239. Nothing is guaranteed in politics.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:54 AM
Aug 2015

The EC does benefit our side somewhat but people still need to show up to vote. We have a Republican Gov in deep blue Maryland because Democrats were complacent.

Fair or not, Hillary is perceived as understanding the plight of African Americans better than Bernie. Alot of it has to do with being associated with Bill.. the "First Black President". Regardless she wins that issue hands down and the polling clearly bears that out.

Name recognition. Scuba Aug 2015 #1
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #8
Foreign policy? Are you kidding me? jfern Aug 2015 #273
........ daleanime Aug 2015 #275
In my opinion Hillary has the advantage of better name reognition, yes, but I also do see Cal33 Aug 2015 #264
If you're a Wall Streeter, Hillary's pro-banking agenda...if you're a CEO, her pro-corporate policies...if you're part of the military complex, her pro-war voting record. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #276
Electability for one. DCBob Aug 2015 #2
Foreign policy-she never meet a war she didn't like.... daleanime Aug 2015 #7
Clearly she has more experience than Bernie in FP. DCBob Aug 2015 #9
If her 'better angels' haven't emerged in the past.... daleanime Aug 2015 #15
The Iraq War vote was tough one for many. DCBob Aug 2015 #40
Most elected Democrats got it right MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #46
+1000 FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #66
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #73
+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Aug 2015 #266
That's because they didn't read the intel jfern Aug 2015 #274
Hillary certainly has more experience organizing failed regime change in Libya and Syria leveymg Aug 2015 #92
Nice RW talking point. DCBob Aug 2015 #93
Point made about HRC's record as SoS is factual, unfortunately. It isn't a RW talking point. leveymg Aug 2015 #118
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #126
those are some damaged buildings 6chars Aug 2015 #150
What Are " Better Angels" - Sounds Like Wishful Thinking cantbeserious Aug 2015 #105
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #30
+ 1 lunamagica Aug 2015 #104
Electability? MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #35
Any yet he polls well behind her in every poll I have seen in matchups with GOP candidates. DCBob Aug 2015 #37
Only to the degree that people don't know him (yet) MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #43
Who says getting to know him will help him?? DCBob Aug 2015 #50
His net positives tell the tale. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #52
Not always.. DCBob Aug 2015 #63
I disagree. For decades politicians have engaged in 'correct speak' aided by PatrickforO Aug 2015 #129
++ Vincardog Aug 2015 #137
That may be appealing to some and at the same time turn off others. DCBob Aug 2015 #240
Is electability a liberal policy she will implement that he wouldn't? Vincardog Aug 2015 #135
A candidate with no appeal to the 63% is not "more electable" n/t eridani Aug 2015 #190
Her negatives are not that high. Granted they are higher than her positives, This thread is about Vincardog Aug 2015 #199
I'm not talking about numbers. I'm talking about the fact that she has no appeal whatsoever eridani Aug 2015 #203
That may be true but this thread is looking for POLICIES where she is better than Bernie. We can't Vincardog Aug 2015 #207
OK, can't think of any policies where she is better. Not even gun control eridani Aug 2015 #210
The solid blue wall in the Electoral College virtually guarantees that any totodeinhere Aug 2015 #231
Nothing is guaranteed in politics. DCBob Aug 2015 #239
I have been informed it is Money. Pure and simple. Office for sale, it seems. djean111 Aug 2015 #3
HRC - Controlled By Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - A Favorite Friend Of The 1% cantbeserious Aug 2015 #106
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #115
"as far as bills that might actually get passed, there is no difference" DanTex Aug 2015 #4
But the compromises would be better Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #254
I don't think that's clear. One could also argue that starting with single payer DanTex Aug 2015 #258
Hillary has never maneuvered against the GOP. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #260
She has a better record on women's and childrens issues. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #5
"She is well known world wide. " - That is an issue? Good grief. djean111 Aug 2015 #6
Simply put she foreign experience and a relationship with world leaders, she would not have to Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #11
OMG. You are laying the blame for the Iraq war, not on the people who voted for and shilled for it, djean111 Aug 2015 #16
Facts are facts, perhaps you are not aware of Bernie's votes on war funding. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #20
There hasn't been a war funding bill Bernie hasn't voted yes on. JaneyVee Aug 2015 #25
Once the troops are there, you think the thing to do is leave them without support? djean111 Aug 2015 #31
Funny how they don't answer that. nt. neverforget Aug 2015 #88
It is pathetic and quite illuminating that they do not answer that. djean111 Aug 2015 #89
To that I say: Yup. Turchinsky Aug 2015 #211
HC voted for the war and gets a pass, Bernie voted to support the troops and he's the bad guy. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #162
Well, give them credit for a very bizarre spin. A spin that would not go over very well djean111 Aug 2015 #166
Hillary voted to send my brother to Ramadi. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #167
Yep - 840high Aug 2015 #221
He voted against the Iraq War. Had there been no war, there'd be no war funding. nt valerief Aug 2015 #228
And she has money and can get more blah, blah blah. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #21
Who is talking about her money? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #139
Her foreign affair record includes the disaster that was Libya Alfalfa Aug 2015 #32
And what foreign experience does Bernie have? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #41
That was the same thing they asked about Obama prior to 2008 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #54
Obama was smart enough to get Hillary as SOS. He also surrounded himself with very capable Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #56
I actually don't think the decision was that smart Alfalfa Aug 2015 #58
He had to give her something. 840high Aug 2015 #222
And yet Obama gave Afghanistan and Iraq to Biden because he didn't trust Hillary to do what's right. Exilednight Aug 2015 #243
Gosh that reminds me of something azurnoir Aug 2015 #83
IT's 3 AM AND I'VE GOT TO TALK TO HILLARY!!! John Poet Aug 2015 #114
Isn't that Palin's point? Errrrrrrr wel. Done? Sheepshank Aug 2015 #117
Certainly not enough to challenge Hillary's record of war-mongering. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #134
What liberal policy/policies will she implement that he wouldn't? Vincardog Aug 2015 #132
You tell me which policies he would not implement. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #140
The question is about Hillary. What liberal policies would she pass? Support her position! Vincardog Aug 2015 #142
These Hillary supporters.. they don't have any concrete facts, so they come up with some bullshit. Turchinsky Aug 2015 #215
Then I see a lot of threads acusing Bernie supporters of swarming attacking Vincardog Aug 2015 #216
No, she doesn't. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #161
She sponsored a bill on minimum wage and another bill to tie minimum wage increases to Cingressional Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #164
Not good enough, Hillary. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #165
Unless said women and children are inconveniently located under US bombs n/t eridani Aug 2015 #192
link Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #197
Are you telling me you need yet another link to Clinton's advocacy of the Iraq war? eridani Aug 2015 #198
No, I want a link to your post #192. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #201
You need links to demonstrate that women and children were slaughtered in our ME adventures? eridani Aug 2015 #205
I thought you read an article saying what you said in #192. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #206
What I said in #192 was what any rational person would concede to be results of eridani Aug 2015 #209
Yes, I have wondered why Bernie voted for AUMF, this funded the bombs, and also troop expansion. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #212
All of which could not happen without approval of the war in the first place. eridani Aug 2015 #214
If the bombs was not have been funded it would not have happened. The funding was the most Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #217
Neither would body armor for our soldiers have been funded eridani Aug 2015 #220
Dodging, I did not talk about body armors for our soldiers, I and not dodging that Hillary voted for Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #230
Sanders is also not criticising Obama's Iran policy from the right eridani Aug 2015 #232
Bernie is also, it helps the defense contractors. He votes for the funding of wars because the Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #246
Don't vote FOR wars, and you never have to worry about funding them n/t eridani Aug 2015 #268
There has not been one issue posted so far that Bernie doesn't actually have a stronger record on Live and Learn Aug 2015 #10
You're wrong about the gun bill. Every other industry except for the gun industry *can* be DanTex Aug 2015 #19
What other industry can be sued for the misuse of their product? Live and Learn Aug 2015 #283
All of them. Look at the text of the bill, it only applies to the gun industry. DanTex Aug 2015 #285
He has a record of voting no on trade agreements, this is a responsibility of a president, he can't Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #23
The POTUS works for us, not corporations. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #168
I am not using his strengths against him, the job he is running for requires he deal with trade. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #173
1) Bernie doesn't work for defense contractors beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #174
Okay, whatever you say. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #175
No, not "whatever" I say. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #177
I have been truthful, I have said what I need to say, I don't need to this back and forth. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #179
I sometimes wonder if you thiink simply getting the last word in, Live and Learn Aug 2015 #284
post#179 Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #286
Bernie has the international experience of my pet schnauzer. Short list of other stuff... Sancho Aug 2015 #12
Thanks for those govtrack links at the bottom with the leadership scores. DanTex Aug 2015 #17
Good post Sancho, yes she has board experience also, has served on a presidential cabinet also. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #26
Obama also had the international experience of your pet schnauzer. djean111 Aug 2015 #33
I think his lack of experience has hurt Obama... Sancho Aug 2015 #47
I wouldn't say those "problems" are due to President Obama's "inexperience". DCBob Aug 2015 #69
I fully admit that Obama inherited an international (and domestic) mess. Sancho Aug 2015 #98
Sure.. it never hurts to have experience.. DCBob Aug 2015 #101
That is not totally correct Armstead Aug 2015 #85
I don't think Bernie has experience... Sancho Aug 2015 #96
So was James Baker Armstead Aug 2015 #100
Bernie Madoff should be Secretary of the Treasury by those measures. MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #42
She voted to go to war with Iran?? JaneyVee Aug 2015 #44
Posting without caffeine is a dangerous thing MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #48
They will be "Special Advisors" and promptly ignored Armstead Aug 2015 #202
Funny that you mention Madoff...that's a common meme here in FL...vote for "another Bernie" Sancho Aug 2015 #62
Do all of those links point to Sanders' desire for already-budgeted jobs MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #80
Some do...others refer to years of courting Locheed Martin.... Sancho Aug 2015 #90
911 and Iraq? I think you must have misspoken. Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #102
For people on DU there was never a connection... Sancho Aug 2015 #122
I will be candid. Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #136
Great post! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #78
Are any of those LIBERAL policies? Vincardog Aug 2015 #143
Generally Hillary makes progressive or liberal decisions...she's a fairly liberal Democrat... Sancho Aug 2015 #151
The question for thread is "On what issue is Hillary better than Bernie"? Respectfully this is not Vincardog Aug 2015 #152
I published a few ways in #12.... Sancho Aug 2015 #154
I saw the pet schnauzer post and believe it is a nice historical portrate of activities, Vincardog Aug 2015 #155
Ok...this could take a while, because there's lots of details...but here goes one at a time. Sancho Aug 2015 #237
I see a lot of hot air. Ballanced Budget nonsence and vague suggestions. Where is Free Education for Vincardog Aug 2015 #259
"Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still." Sancho Aug 2015 #262
We will have to agree to disagree. " The Financial Transaction Tax is a HORRIBLE idea " BS we had Vincardog Aug 2015 #263
There are lots of disagreements about the FTTs...including the chances that it would ever pass... Sancho Aug 2015 #265
Using David Brock's site? Turchinsky Aug 2015 #229
Links are simply convenient...it's not like it's hard to check Hillary's record. Sancho Aug 2015 #234
Job creation, economic growth, gun control, race issues, national security... JaneyVee Aug 2015 #14
Job Creation?!! Sorry, trickle-down doesn't work. fbc Aug 2015 #282
She is simply more prepared than Bernie for the Office of President. DCBob Aug 2015 #18
He has more experience... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #22
Comparisons to President Obama are absurd. DCBob Aug 2015 #27
Correct. Bernie holds traditional Democratic values. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #51
.. NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #124
Word. 840high Aug 2015 #223
Obama is not running this time so it is the present candidates experience and abilities. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #28
It's a perfectly valid comparison. HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #29
Its still an issue when being compared to someone with tons more experience. DCBob Aug 2015 #34
We'll have to agree to disagree. HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #39
This is why I am a Hillary supporter, she supports my ideals more than the other declared DNC Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #53
Well, HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #55
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #60
Which women's issues specifically are we talking about? Alfalfa Aug 2015 #57
Better pay for women? Then why doesn't she support a federal minimum wage of $15/hr? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #160
Yes, and George W was also elected, terrible president, did a lot of wrong things, took down two Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #49
He was a governor HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #61
And a terrible governor I might add. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #68
Of a state with an exceptionally weak governor dsc Aug 2015 #113
"Prepared" = loaded up with corporate $$$$. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #71
Opinions, Opinions, Opinions - Where Are The - Facts, Facts, Facts cantbeserious Aug 2015 #107
Here you go.. DCBob Aug 2015 #242
The Opinions Of Others - Does Not List Actual Acomplishments - Only Allusions To Accomplishments cantbeserious Aug 2015 #247
Not opinions.. these are actual items of experience. ie.. Senator, Secretary of State, etc. DCBob Aug 2015 #248
So - What Did She Do Other Than Hold An Office cantbeserious Aug 2015 #249
Read again what I posted earlier.. there are specific accomplishments there. DCBob Aug 2015 #250
Read Again - Reads As Excessive Posturing To These Eyes And Ears cantbeserious Aug 2015 #257
It's hard to come up with anything... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #24
I think Bernie supporters (and I am one) pooh pooh the electibility argument. el_bryanto Aug 2015 #36
The candidate of "hardworking people, white people" wil be better at protecting black communities? eridani Aug 2015 #195
If that were the only thing she had ever said than I'd agree with you el_bryanto Aug 2015 #269
That she was willing to say it to attack a black presidential candidate is appalling eridani Aug 2015 #270
Immigration dsc Aug 2015 #38
I disagree with your interpretation, but I appreciate that you have raised an actual issue Armstead Aug 2015 #97
It really doesn't matter what either of us think Sanders position is dsc Aug 2015 #99
Well, I think if you really look at his past.... Armstead Aug 2015 #103
I think many of us who want a CLEAN immigration bill passed would support him because he WOULD too! cascadiance Aug 2015 #204
+ 1 lunamagica Aug 2015 #112
I think you can expect she would implement NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #45
Why don't YOU come up with the issues on which Sanders is better than Clinton, okay? George II Aug 2015 #59
Here's my list... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #72
Has he articulated just how he intends to implement those things? George II Aug 2015 #125
How does... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #141
He would need a solid progressive majority Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2015 #267
Are you a ringer who is really working for Sanders? Armstead Aug 2015 #108
The entire premise of the OP is argumentative with an undertone of one with a chip on one's shoulder George II Aug 2015 #127
That's and easy one. NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #111
because that is easy Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #145
HRC is better at taking donations from Wall St CEOs and Corporate Super Packs FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #64
and can Sanders beat the Republicans without money? Can't deny that either! VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #65
Nope - just the Working Class - aka: The 99% FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #67
Keep telling yourself Bernie can get elected on dreams and wishes alone... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #74
Sorry - I won't be supporting any more Corp Shills FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #75
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #76
You keep telling yourself that FreakinDJ Aug 2015 #77
I have reality on my side.....I am the realist in this conversation... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #79
Everyone dies. Nothing lasts. Therefore nothing ultimately matters.THAT'S REALITY. Armstead Aug 2015 #87
uh Huh??? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #94
Just a visceral response to that ever-present dismissive putdown using that word Armstead Aug 2015 #110
Obviously under the circumstances....my "position" is that our opponents VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #116
So, you believe Clinton to be the better candidate NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #119
A reasonable point Armstead Aug 2015 #121
I think you (guys) lose a lot of credibility with the "both parties the same" bullshit. Everytime I bettyellen Aug 2015 #169
No the paarties are different, But too often not different enough. Armstead Aug 2015 #170
See, this rhetoric (even this Yes- but...' REPLY) is ridiculous- you are focused on economics ONLY bettyellen Aug 2015 #171
I suppose not everyone is concerned with the economy. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #172
No I am not. It's economics and power and all that stems from those Armstead Aug 2015 #180
Because "Real Dems" should only support Corporate Shills... NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #144
A real Dem sides with the 99%. 840high Aug 2015 #224
Obama got elected on Hope and Change... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #86
She is much better at representing the interests of the very rich. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #70
I did not know a president was only supposed to represent the interest of a few, I thought it was Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #91
He will much more - Hillary owes too 840high Aug 2015 #225
"but as far as bills that might actually get passed, there is no difference." qazplm Aug 2015 #81
One difference is the number of years spent in Congress, 1991 to present for Bernie, Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #109
None newfie11 Aug 2015 #82
Winning a general election? nt COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #84
I think any democrat has a good chance of winning the upcoming general... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #95
Gun control, women's rights BainsBane Aug 2015 #120
Could you be more specific Alfalfa Aug 2015 #130
Clinton is much more forceful in defense of reproductive rights BainsBane Aug 2015 #138
On issues, she is not better than Bernie. She has name recognition and money. peacebird Aug 2015 #123
Yeah, that one. stone space Aug 2015 #128
I think that your question would be better posed this way: BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #131
Influence, women, social justice,... NCTraveler Aug 2015 #133
Bill isn't running. Influence isn't an issue, Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #147
"Bill isn't running." Seriously? NCTraveler Aug 2015 #149
It sounded like you used Bill as a reason to support Hillary Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #191
The two are detached by the comma as was the part before and the part after that you didn't bold. NCTraveler Aug 2015 #233
ok, I thought you were describing his respect around the world Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #236
Virtually none and if any rare thing like women's health it is a great record to TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #146
Over 140 replies so far, and not one straight answer to your OP. arcane1 Aug 2015 #148
Ikr? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #153
The only 2 possibilities that I have seen Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #157
She doesn't draw nearly as many fanatics rock Aug 2015 #156
IMO she draws only fanatics. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #158
"Fanatics" not "fans" rock Aug 2015 #159
I was trying to be nice Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #163
Well, I was trying to be nice too rock Aug 2015 #200
Then you should switch allegences Armstead Aug 2015 #208
Why should I switch allegiances? rock Aug 2015 #218
My headline was a bad joke about "who's a fanatic" Armstead Aug 2015 #219
OK, I get it rock Aug 2015 #253
You started using that word, not me. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #238
Neat how you avoided addressing my original point rock Aug 2015 #244
Yes I did Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #245
Perfectly clear rock Aug 2015 #251
The way Hillary supporters freak out when Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #252
Bookmarked Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #176
Bernie seems to be running against Obama's legacy and Hillary is running on solidifying it and bravenak Aug 2015 #178
Against it? To me it looks like he wants to broaden most of it. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #181
Bernie said he thought Obama should be primaried. Look in the AA group. On Tobin's thread. bravenak Aug 2015 #184
To try and move him to the left. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #187
I don't care why. Obama is the Democratic President of the Untited States and our first black one. bravenak Aug 2015 #188
By that logic Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #189
Trying to move him to the left while his supporters trash him? bravenak Aug 2015 #193
OK, thanks for admitting this is not a rational argument. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #194
Exactly. We agree with him and love him. bravenak Aug 2015 #196
I'm a Sanders supporter.... Turchinsky Aug 2015 #226
Here: bravenak Aug 2015 #186
+1, I figure if they don't like that guy then they'l hate me uponit7771 Aug 2015 #261
Stumped. artislife Aug 2015 #182
Unlimited life lines. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #183
Heee! nt artislife Aug 2015 #185
Odd question. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #213
I am looking for a rational reason to support her Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #241
You know what scares me in this thread? DebJ Aug 2015 #227
That's because of gerrymandering gollygee Aug 2015 #235
can you see 60 Senate seats for us in 2017? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #255
Wow. More than 250 responses, yet no HRC supporter has been able to answer the question in the OP: kath Aug 2015 #256
OK, what's a policy that Sanders would implement that Clinton wouldn't? Recursion Aug 2015 #272
On the issue of being able to win a national election, which is the most important issue Recursion Aug 2015 #271
No, that isn't the topic being discussed here Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #278
Yes, it really is Recursion Aug 2015 #279
Not at all, we think he can win and win big. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #280
HRC voted pro-cluster bombs; Bernie sponsored legislation banning them Divernan Aug 2015 #277
Working with Wall Street Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #281
Shareholder value. nt raouldukelives Aug 2015 #287
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