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In reply to the discussion: Has Sanders really always supported marriage equality [View all]BainsBane
(53,026 posts)72. Sanders mentions one of the Family's events on his website
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251500101
In fact, I read on Wikiepdia that the Family is criticized by RW evangelicals for being too inclusive.
Clinton is responsible for her statements, and Sanders is responsible for his votes. If changes in crime policy were the fault of the first lady more than the congress who voted for it, than that would make Laura Bush more responsible for the Iraq War than Hillary Clinton. Of course there will be no more consistency on that issue than any other.
That whole thread about LU and the one about Clinton in Beijing is talking about how great it is that Bernie is going to get votes from RWers. They are saying it is more important than Clinton speaking out for global women's rights in the 90s.
It is illegal to coordinate with Super Pacs. One thing Sanders has done is make claims to the the public that he isn't taking money from Super Pacs. He willfully uses their ignorance about campaign finance law, and that you think that better than Clinton's not claiming to be superior for following the law shows how little the issue matters to you. His authorized PAC was also fined for failure to submit the basic paperwork required under the already meager campaign finance law.
Everything I said in my post is true. Not only is it true it is common. Anyone who is remotely open minded has seen it. There are even Sanders supporters who have commented on some of the above. That you make excuses for blatant hypocrisy doesn't mean the hypocrisy doesn't exist. It merely shows your commitment to it.
I like Clinton fine. I don't think she is perfect, and I don't treat her like the messiah. I disagree with her on lots of issues. She's a politician, not a spiritual leader. I have never presented her as perfect or anything close. I don't worship politicians. I don't expect them to be mirror images of myself, and most importantly I don't throw social movements for racial equality under the bus because I fear a politician can't take criticism. She can handle herself fine. I don't need to surrender my character to support her or anyone else. Voting is something I do. It's not who I am.
Everything I said is obvious to anyone who pays attention. You willfully ignore the obvious, and you have recommended threads attacking Black Lives Matter. You think I'm going to actually take seriously your pretense at moral righteousness? Anyone who attacks movements for civil rights like BLM shows themselves to be diametrically opposed to the fundamental values that are central to my politics. Clearly we are not friends or allies, and you have no reason to scold me or even speak to me again.
In fact, I read on Wikiepdia that the Family is criticized by RW evangelicals for being too inclusive.
Clinton is responsible for her statements, and Sanders is responsible for his votes. If changes in crime policy were the fault of the first lady more than the congress who voted for it, than that would make Laura Bush more responsible for the Iraq War than Hillary Clinton. Of course there will be no more consistency on that issue than any other.
That whole thread about LU and the one about Clinton in Beijing is talking about how great it is that Bernie is going to get votes from RWers. They are saying it is more important than Clinton speaking out for global women's rights in the 90s.
It is illegal to coordinate with Super Pacs. One thing Sanders has done is make claims to the the public that he isn't taking money from Super Pacs. He willfully uses their ignorance about campaign finance law, and that you think that better than Clinton's not claiming to be superior for following the law shows how little the issue matters to you. His authorized PAC was also fined for failure to submit the basic paperwork required under the already meager campaign finance law.
Everything I said in my post is true. Not only is it true it is common. Anyone who is remotely open minded has seen it. There are even Sanders supporters who have commented on some of the above. That you make excuses for blatant hypocrisy doesn't mean the hypocrisy doesn't exist. It merely shows your commitment to it.
I like Clinton fine. I don't think she is perfect, and I don't treat her like the messiah. I disagree with her on lots of issues. She's a politician, not a spiritual leader. I have never presented her as perfect or anything close. I don't worship politicians. I don't expect them to be mirror images of myself, and most importantly I don't throw social movements for racial equality under the bus because I fear a politician can't take criticism. She can handle herself fine. I don't need to surrender my character to support her or anyone else. Voting is something I do. It's not who I am.
Everything I said is obvious to anyone who pays attention. You willfully ignore the obvious, and you have recommended threads attacking Black Lives Matter. You think I'm going to actually take seriously your pretense at moral righteousness? Anyone who attacks movements for civil rights like BLM shows themselves to be diametrically opposed to the fundamental values that are central to my politics. Clearly we are not friends or allies, and you have no reason to scold me or even speak to me again.
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Kerry is not Bernie and I agree with virtualobserver in their post 40:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#47
This sounds an awful lot like the PoC smear. "Not good enough, Bernie." is the spirit of the
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#51
I don't know about minorities. I only know about what I'm reading from you. And what I'm gathering
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#63
we come to a an opposite conclusion with a similar set of facts when the candidates name is
dsc
Aug 2015
#100
No, we don't. Direct quotes showing Clinton's opposition to same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#127
Are you saying there isn't any evidence Bernie supported same sex marriage in the past?
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#3
I have not spent a lot of time checking on the claim given here but I did not find any evidence
Thinkingabout
Aug 2015
#20
Color me shocked. I didn't really look, and I didn't notice anything either.
Ed Suspicious
Aug 2015
#53
I've never seen that claim, what I have seen is that he supported lgbt rights for decades.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#7
No, I meant the research you didn't do when you constructed your straw man.
beam me up scottie
Aug 2015
#12
this endless attempt to justify Hillary's questionable record is just embarassing
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#15
Lets abolish ALL laws which attempt to impose a particular brand of morality or "right" on people.
virtualobserver
Aug 2015
#59
It isn't evidence when every single solitary straight person who cast the same vote he did
dsc
Aug 2015
#75
I don't do summaries due to then, I am sure, being accused of slanting said summaries
dsc
Aug 2015
#101
She has responsibility for her own statements in support of sentencing, welfare reform, etc.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#66
So still can't quite grasp the difference between attending an event and joining their group.
jeff47
Aug 2015
#76
bernie is not the perfect saint his fans make him out to be. And, they've done him no favors pushing
Cha
Aug 2015
#71
"It's amazing what campaigns will bring out of people ... Sometimes, their real self shines..
Cha
Aug 2015
#90
Bernie Sanders, 1983: “It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom
Zorra
Aug 2015
#96
His support preceded hers, and came at a time when it wans't yet "safe" to give it.
Betty Karlson
Aug 2015
#99
Everything has its time. It takes a long time to lay the groundwork for social change.
Zorra
Aug 2015
#120
the important thing is now Libya and Honduras are gay paradises after her intervention
MisterP
Aug 2015
#121