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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
13. Now that is an excellent question
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:17 PM
Aug 2015

I read the article with that in mind. The guy seems a little confused to me, but I support a lot of what he says.

I support social programs.
It just makes sense, even from a conservative point of view. Why? Because you have to consider the second and third order effects of NOT creating and having these programs. My first example to pick is always the Nutrition Assistance Program. It comes at a whopping cost of $78 billion. I support it as a conservative. Why? Because I don’t buy Tea Party talking points and know that second and third order effects of not financing that program will be devastating and actually strain the system we have in even more costly ways. Right now poor children and the elderly get food from that program. It is how they get the nutrition they need to survive and keep a healthy lifestyle.

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Many Democrats tell me to turn tail and jump onto their party. Many Independents tell me the same thing as well. I tell you no. If Democrats really want to win not only the Bernie Sanders election in 2016, but many state, local, and national elections as well then you need to reach out to your friends who are Rockefeller Republicans. Reach out to the former-Republicans-turned-Independents. Stop insulting and degrading them. We can be allies. Just imagine the overthrow of the power elite if the 41% of registered voters who align as independents went back to the Republican party as Rockefeller Republicans. With the numbers of Democrats and the minority of Rockefeller Republicans we could hold a majority again in many states across this nation.

We could begin reform the likes of which hasn’t been seen or felt since the days of FDR. We won’t agree on every issue, but we’re also not insane like the Tea Party.

Ultimately, it’s up to you. You can either be the arbiter of change or the inhibitor of progress.


I don't really get the Rockefeller Republican thing (maybe he believes in "fiscal conservatism"?), but I have long felt that the people have been falsely divided by TPTB, the wealthy benefit while the people bicker amongst thmselves instead of joining together and mobilizing against TPTB. I support pretty much everything the guy said in the article, so given that, I absolutely welcome him and people like him to make common cause with. We won't agree on everything. People on DU don't agree on everything, not by a long shot.

I know of a former Rockefeller Republican, running for POTUS as a Democrat, and it isn't Sanders, my guess (I don't know) is it's your candidate.

Bernie's as solidly grounded in leftist positions as any major party candidate I've ever had the opportunity to vote for, and he isn't a "finger to the wind" kind of guy, he has deep convictions and a long history to back it up. So I'm not buying your concern.

Plenty of people are starting to wake up and realize they've been lied to by both parties, who have been captured by monied interests.
That's what I'm working on in Arizona azmom Aug 2015 #1
every one of my republican family that voted in jan brewer and allowed the racist shit seabeyond Aug 2015 #3
Who cares why they vote for Sanders? They won't change Sanders's positions. cyberswede Aug 2015 #4
i dunno, while kicked off the board i read an OP about dancin' with the people that brung 'em. seabeyond Aug 2015 #5
Except Bernie's been doing the same dance for 40 years or more dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #9
of course he has. hence an independent. and he did it well as an independent. seabeyond Aug 2015 #11
On issues, what is your problem with that? - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #14
He's doing it better now that he is getting his message out to Dems, Repubs, Independents, sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #18
sanders base is upper middle class white republican, libertarian, teabagger, seabeyond Aug 2015 #24
What?? 'sanders needs open primaries to get his base in to vote in democratic primaries'????? sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #27
"closed primaries" means only registered Dems can vote in the Democratic Primary emulatorloo Aug 2015 #42
Hillary's base is Wall St and Democratic apparachiks leveymg Aug 2015 #30
that would be the 87% blacks, and like 92% latinos and single women you speak of? seabeyond Aug 2015 #32
What is the source of those numbers? Not in line with other polling. leveymg Aug 2015 #50
That person is claiming that Sanders is leader of racists. delrem Aug 2015 #10
ridiculous. and should be a hide though it will not. poster was talking about getting AZ repugs. seabeyond Aug 2015 #12
Your swift-boating of Bernie as being leader of racists delrem Aug 2015 #15
i stated facts. that would not be swiftboating. we cant look at the fact it is repugs, that voted seabeyond Aug 2015 #17
You aren't slandering your Republican relatives, delrem Aug 2015 #22
i am slandering my relative by saying they voted for jan brewer who implemented bigot law? seabeyond Aug 2015 #25
You are who you are. delrem Aug 2015 #31
yes. i. am. , lol seabeyond Aug 2015 #34
Did you mean Jan Brewer? sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #36
ty seabeyond Aug 2015 #37
I was in Az when Obama was running in 2008. Many of those Repubs voted for Obama. Jan had a photo op sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #19
you were and are everywhere wherever our conversation lies. good for you seabeyond Aug 2015 #26
Hillary's talking about getting Az Repubs also. Did you know that no Dem can win without sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #29
we would be talking about the general election and not the democratic primary, correct? seabeyond Aug 2015 #33
If you get Republicans to vote for you in the general election RichVRichV Aug 2015 #38
i feel he is pandering to him when he states that we should applaud that blacks have accomplished seabeyond Aug 2015 #40
So when Hillary uses strategy it's smart and a good thing. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #44
i really do not bother when someone starts out in this manner. i mean, why should i participate? seabeyond Aug 2015 #56
"a new sanders embracing blacks"... ljm2002 Aug 2015 #53
no it is not. we are talking his campaign. he exclusively spoke about economic equality. seabeyond Aug 2015 #57
Your wording was very clear... ljm2002 Aug 2015 #60
yes. they are very clear so why are you adding imaginary sound ect.... he is running a campaign seabeyond Aug 2015 #61
You mention gay people? Let's take a look at Obama's outreach to the Right, 2008... Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #55
here is the thing blue, and i hope you can respect it. seabeyond Aug 2015 #58
So you say that Sanders is candy for racists? How cool of you. delrem Aug 2015 #8
if that person is all that, then why in the world are they republicans or vote republican? seabeyond Aug 2015 #2
Now that is an excellent question dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #13
So you don't think Hillary should be trying to get the Republican Women's vote? And you think no sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #20
Pretty impressive piece. marble falls Aug 2015 #6
Ridiculous! delrem Aug 2015 #7
We already have Rockerfeller Republicans'. Their called Third Way and Centrist Dems. I don't care Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #23
The article states delrem Aug 2015 #46
Jim Jeffords not only said it for years, he did it, and yes, he left the party cali Aug 2015 #47
LOL madokie Aug 2015 #48
So why be a republican then? progressoid Aug 2015 #16
That's what bewilders me. The GOP platform has long been anti-feminist and anti-social programs. 4lbs Aug 2015 #28
Many people are Republicans because their parents are Republicans, RichVRichV Aug 2015 #45
Unfortunately, that does seem to be the case many times. I've talked to Republicans throughout my 4lbs Aug 2015 #51
As far as his economic message goes, it has a lot of appeal to many SandersDem Aug 2015 #21
My husband went over to see a family friend today who had a friend visiting. Skwmom Aug 2015 #35
This seems counter-intuitive I know... kenn3d Aug 2015 #39
More Than Counter Inuitive colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #41
In hopes to clarify... kenn3d Aug 2015 #43
You can use the "excerpt" tag to set a quoted passage off in a gray block so tblue37 Aug 2015 #49
Thanks - I'll try that now to offer some additional perspective to the theme of my OP kenn3d Aug 2015 #52
You can also edit your OP to include the "excerpt" tag, so future readers won't be confused. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #54
Done, and thanks again. nt kenn3d Aug 2015 #59
FWIW - Thom Hartmann is discussing this Rockefeller Republican blog... NOW kenn3d Aug 2015 #62
sounds to me the rockefeller repug has all these liberal social ustice stance, but $ trumps seabeyond Aug 2015 #63
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