2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Why I DON'T support Bernie for President [View all]Springslips
(533 posts)But for others that ignorance of the OP is staggering.
OP: I am a highly informed voter
Hardly. The OP doesn't get even the basics of campaigning correct. For she calls Bernie Captain Obvious for mentioning problem. Any part time politico understands THAT POLITICIANS MENTION ISSUE TO MAKE THEM CENTER IN AN ELECTION. Duh! Either the OP is annoyed because she doesn't want those issues centerpiece, or she doesn't have the cognitive chops to follow politics. Either way, her opening sentence is just 'informed wisdom', a proclamation that her reasoning doesn't live up to.
On her race versus classism. Ask the question: what would PoC prefer? Living in a racial society while poor, or living in a racial society with better pay? You know the answer. You went in the closet to get economic equality. Sure the fight for equality goes beyond mere economics, but economics is a part of it. Without it then there is no equality, period. This discussion on DU presents a false opposition; it acts as though class issue come at the expense of race issue, when they don't. This is a classic example of using race to splinter people. We should work to advance both, and we can advance both.
OP: Not viable/passable It is viable because it is done in Europe. It may not be passable, yet either was gay marriage. Yet as we seen, shit changes fast. Besides, if we just go with what is passable than we might as well not try for anything. I am not like that. The journey to anywhere starts with a single step, I am ready to make that step. I hope many of you are with me.
On finance The myth that deregulation of Glass-S did not effect the crash has been shown wrong many, many times. I mean mortgages went bad, banks made the mortgages. Duh. Not many understand the finance.
College The OP says that free college will not help PoC, even though many go there, and many more would go if they could afford it. Instead she supports making Community Colleges free. So basically she and HRC say to PoC, "Sorry, you can't afford good colleges but here a lesser CC you can attend for free!" That really sound. . . Not right. Talk about helping middle class whites, their children go to Harvard, and a equally able but poorer PoC goes to City College. Nice! Sigh.
Inner City Schools I am sure HRCs has a wonderful, life changing school funding proposal that will improve inner city schools. Yet any sociologist can tell you poverty is the number one problem effecting education. Especially those that don't get adequate sustenance at early development--the whole purpose of WIC. But we can't pass bills to fight poverty right? Can we pass an equal funding bill for inner city schools?
Her personal experience Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. We will see how well Bernie builds a coalition. He won't win if he can't. This is HRC second go of it, and we know what she's about. It's triangulation, Washington hobnobbing, and power giving to the elite. She cares not for me, my friends, nor the people. It is all corporate suits and back deals. I can't vote for her in the primaries her politics worked in the 1990s, it is not the 90s anymore.
Racism again using race to divide people. I have not seen the racism and I am pretty sensitive to it. This is just based on the flawed logic: All white people at rally, therefor racism. It is also an attack to play off the jewish-PoC toxicity that exist in the zeitgeist. This attack prefigures the old absurd rightwing meme that ' latte liberals are the real racist.' Whether PoC really will or will not support Bernie is there choice. Bernie will have to win them over or fail. But this using race as an attack vehicle is the height of cynicism not seen since Richard Nixon. HRC certainly has a Nixonian aura around her.