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jtuck004

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94. If you discount the Industrial Union and the IWW as nothing more than floor sweepings, sure. But
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 06:21 PM
Aug 2015

I don't.

The people's union, one big union, the Industrial Union, the IWW - it was kind of fluid, but THAT labor movement, which sought control, was not content to be subservient to business owners...had already been tortured, murdered, killed and jailed out of existence with the collaboration of government, the AF of L, and business by the time you choose to start counting. That's convenient. For you.

What you call "winning" was more collaboration. And if I might direct your attention to the bolded phrase below:

" First Red Scare"

A "Red Scare" is a somewhat like today in which one group chooses a non-existent scary thing to divide and subjugate others. There was no communist menace - it was business using this as a scare tactic against labor.

It was very effective. Got you, as you keep proving. And I bet you didn't feel a thing. Don't worry, it got hundreds of millions of Americans, and still does.

Labor had already lost a lot by the time you start keeping track. Maybe too much.


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"In the 1910s and early '20s, the IWW achieved many of their short-term goals, particularly in the American west, and cut across traditional guild and union lines to organize workers in a variety of trades and industries. At their peak in August 1917, IWW membership was over 150,000.[9] However, the extremely high rate of IWW membership turnover during this era (estimated at 133% per decade) makes it difficult to state membership totals with any certainty, as workers tended to join the IWW in large numbers for relatively short periods (e.g., during labor strikes and periods of generalized economic distress).[10]

Nonetheless, membership declined dramatically in the 1920s due to several factors. There were conflicts with other labor groups, particularly the American Federation of Labor (AFL) which regarded the IWW as too radical while the IWW regarded the AFL as too staid and conservative.[11] Membership also declined in the wake of government crackdowns on radical, anarchist and socialist groups during the First Red Scare after WWI. The most decisive factor in the decline in IWW membership and influence, however, was a 1924 schism, from which the IWW never fully recovered."
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-wiki, and about a dozen really good history biographies, autobiographies, and descriptions.


K & R! n/t RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #1
FDR was a rich trust fund baby: Sanders people would have rejected him: HIllary is FDR's legacy lewebley3 Aug 2015 #66
That was hillarious (misspelling intentional)! Live and Learn Aug 2015 #84
Baloney. you are truly without a clue cali Aug 2015 #85
Hillary? billhicks76 Aug 2015 #105
I'm a Sanders person dflprincess Aug 2015 #106
It's a shame they aren't learning US history like they used to. L0oniX Aug 2015 #111
What does FDR being rich have to do with his policies? yurbud Aug 2015 #112
K&R!!! nt dorkzilla Aug 2015 #2
Brilliant! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #3
He is a threat to the Third Way, Neoliberals in the Democratic Party emsimon33 Aug 2015 #13
We need to keep pushing to the left, not falling back to the right. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #17
Totally agree… How soon people forget... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #22
Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #53
FDR was a rich man: He was the 1% of the !%: Sanders people would hate FDR lewebley3 Aug 2015 #63
No he wouldn't. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #75
Is that why the older members of DU love FDR so much? We remember. jwirr Aug 2015 #90
The Second Bill of Rights by Franklin D Roosevelt... Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #92
So you think all the 1% from back then are just like the oligarchy today? Wow. L0oniX Aug 2015 #107
The "Third Way" can't WAIT to get in to purge the Liberals from DC who followed Obama.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #36
FDR was a rich man, a Trust baby: Sanders would people would hate FDR: (even a Mama's boy) lewebley3 Aug 2015 #62
LMAO! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #67
Just the truth: FDR is everything Sanders people would reject: Hillary is FDR legacy lewebley3 Aug 2015 #69
Shhhh. It's okay. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #72
utter and complete nonsense cali Aug 2015 #88
Bwahahahah ridiculous LMFAO L0oniX Aug 2015 #110
~ L0oniX Aug 2015 #108
Brilliant! cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #4
No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #5
"Public Muscle of the Enemy"--well said emsimon33 Aug 2015 #10
And as I like to point out... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2015 #48
FDR was a corporation evil by your def: He has the 1% you would have hated him lewebley3 Aug 2015 #65
Try as you might, there's no takers for that bait... Indepatriot Aug 2015 #78
BS bvar22 Aug 2015 #96
well stated arlington.mass Aug 2015 #98
Republicans have gone full lunatic, but many democrats have gone full republican fbc Aug 2015 #6
word nt wendylaroux Aug 2015 #7
Hear, hear! dorkzilla Aug 2015 #8
No, no not well: FDR was a rich man: 1% person: HIllary is his legacy: She is a fighter lewebley3 Aug 2015 #68
Seems someone let in a Myna bird. eom Fawke Em Aug 2015 #76
... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #81
LMFAO L0oniX Aug 2015 #109
What I have been saying for years emsimon33 Aug 2015 #11
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2015 #56
K&R and a big DUH! emsimon33 Aug 2015 #9
I agree, and so does Thom Hartmann. These are our real values as a party. rusty quoin Aug 2015 #12
Thom Hartmann for gets to tell you FDR was a rich man: Hillary is FDr legacy: not Sanders. lewebley3 Aug 2015 #70
Kudos, great statement Armstead Aug 2015 #14
I think that is a given. yourout Aug 2015 #15
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #16
Excellent post MissDeeds Aug 2015 #18
The sooner the Clinton supporters get it, the better chances for Bernie short circuit Aug 2015 #19
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #71
Hear, hear! truebluegreen Aug 2015 #20
You're absolutely right! donf Aug 2015 #29
K/R!!!! LovingA2andMI Aug 2015 #21
You convinced me! Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #23
THAT and the environment is why he gets my vote. glinda Aug 2015 #24
And that's really it AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #25
Bravo! SoapBox Aug 2015 #26
Evolving is more than change... Fairgo Aug 2015 #27
"Just-in-time evolution"! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #28
Just-in-in-time evolution...pretty well covers it. My Dad used to say, libdem4life Aug 2015 #51
"We are ripe for another New Deal - a Real Deal where our interests are once again put front and .. slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #30
And A Good Deal for the 99%. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #93
Brilliant. Thank you. K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #31
Yep. Bernie's taking us back to where we took a wrong turn 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #32
Exactly! Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #33
Almost 70 recs in less than 2 hours? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #34
LOL I guess! But you remember you said I should post this, so we made a good chord. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #38
Beautiful music! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #39
FDR was a rich man, a Trust baby: Sanders would people would hate FDR BlueJazz Aug 2015 #113
LMAO! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #114
Tom Hartmann said he may be our FDR Milliesmom Aug 2015 #35
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #37
K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona Aug 2015 #40
K & R!!! mak3cats Aug 2015 #41
Well said, PatrickforO, I believe you nailed it! Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #42
"and created a powerful middle class " < Uh, using black folk for no pay helped with that too, eh? jtuck004 Aug 2015 #43
+1 agree wholeheartedly nt navarth Aug 2015 #64
I agree with most of your post. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #91
If you discount the Industrial Union and the IWW as nothing more than floor sweepings, sure. But jtuck004 Aug 2015 #94
The Wobblies were great - but the government did put them down. Bloodily. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #115
Industrialists were making the money, using the workers as cannon fodder, and the workers were jtuck004 Aug 2015 #116
So join the political revolution. We're on the same page. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #117
We wouldn't be arguing if you would give proper respect to labor and pay attention to jtuck004 Aug 2015 #118
You've got that right AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #44
Beautiful post. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #45
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #46
He's definitely more of what a Democrat should be. Vinca Aug 2015 #47
Kickety kick kick. Scuba Aug 2015 #49
No "may be" about it. Bernie embodies what I want the Democratic Party to return to. eom NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #50
Exceptionally well said! K&R! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #52
Good post. cyberswede Aug 2015 #54
Yes. Ever since Birchers co-opted the GOP, traditional Republicans were forced to flee RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #55
I agree. Kick the conservatives out of our party. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #57
He IS more of Democrat than today's so-called Democrats Triana Aug 2015 #58
the party's been PREDICATED on not acting Dem while keeping the voters going MisterP Aug 2015 #59
FDR was a rich man: Sanders supporters would hate FDR : FDR was a 1% and a trust baby lewebley3 Aug 2015 #60
Is there an echo in here?... Indepatriot Aug 2015 #79
They say that if several people tell you something, however absurd, you start to believe it nxylas Aug 2015 #95
He's flying in the face of the donor-favored Republican Lite DirkGently Aug 2015 #61
Yup. moondust Aug 2015 #73
Bernie gets it Lunabell Aug 2015 #74
There's no "may" about it. cui bono Aug 2015 #77
Maybe? eom Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #80
May be? I'd venture to say he's the ONLY real Democrat in it. PeteSelman Aug 2015 #82
We know that. The "he's not a real Democrat" crowd have an agenda, and it's not valerief Aug 2015 #83
+1 I certainly think so. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #86
Yes, he's doing a lot of talking.... George II Aug 2015 #87
Where do you think he gets his positions come from? d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #97
If he has been blocked by Congress, how is he going to get around that? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #99
And he's rarely, if ever, provided a "solution". A solution is detailing how to get his ideas... George II Aug 2015 #101
Maybe he can do what a lot of legislators do in order to pass legislation d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #102
Yeah, I figured you didn't know. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #103
"the bought and paid for Congress won't bring his ideas to a vote." George II Aug 2015 #100
Well for one thing he can stop the TPP d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #104
Yep. I guess I'm a Bernicrat! tblue Aug 2015 #89
There is no 'maybe' about it. John Poet Aug 2015 #119
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