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In reply to the discussion: On Iran Deal: Bernie Sanders Storms The Senate And Calls Out GOP Warmongers [View all]SunSeeker
(51,502 posts)108. It is not a "dog whistle" for war, for fuck's sake. "Distrust and verify" IS this deal.
"It's too bad HC supporters choose to turn a blind eye to her tactics. Not surprising, just sad."
Your line would make sense if you switched out "HC" for "BS."
I am not "turning a blind eye" to anything. I, and certainly Hillary's audience, can see that it is a riff on Reagan's old "trust but verify" line (which is actually a Russian proverb,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify ) which he used to sell the 1987 INF Treaty with the Soviet Union. She made it even stronger, "distrust and verify," to emphasize we are being even tougher than St. Ronnie and this is at least a good a deal as Reagan got. She is trying to bolster waning support for this deal:
Clinton stated, in a modification of Ronald Reagans famous line, that My approach will be distrust and verify.
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While President Obama has focused on building congressional support, Clinton will have to defend the nuclear agreement to the American people. That will not be easy. Just yesterday the respected Pew Research Center released a survey showing that popular support for the agreementnever robusthas fallen substantially during the past two months. In July, 33 percent of the people said they backed the deal, 45 percent opposed it, and 22 percent said they didnt know. Now only 21 percent express approval (down 12 points since the previous survey), 49 percent stand opposed, and fully 30 percent say they dont know. Obama may be winning the inside battle, but he is losing the outside war.
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While President Obama has focused on building congressional support, Clinton will have to defend the nuclear agreement to the American people. That will not be easy. Just yesterday the respected Pew Research Center released a survey showing that popular support for the agreementnever robusthas fallen substantially during the past two months. In July, 33 percent of the people said they backed the deal, 45 percent opposed it, and 22 percent said they didnt know. Now only 21 percent express approval (down 12 points since the previous survey), 49 percent stand opposed, and fully 30 percent say they dont know. Obama may be winning the inside battle, but he is losing the outside war.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2015/09/09-hrc-iran-nuclear-agreement-galston
She is not "pandering" to the right. That would involve standing next to Trump, Palin and Cruz and calling for a renunciation of this deal. Her speech supports the deal and uses language the right of center folks can understand that reassures them this deal is good.
You should be applauding her for her efforts. Instead, you applaud Bernie preaching to the choir, like that is going to accomplish anything. Hillary is trying to keep us out of war. That an OP on a progressive board lies about that is what is sad.
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On Iran Deal: Bernie Sanders Storms The Senate And Calls Out GOP Warmongers [View all]
Fawke Em
Sep 2015
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No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
cantbeserious
Sep 2015
#5
She voted for the Iraq war, anyone who doesn't understand that is delusional.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#47
No, we're talking about the illegal war that wasn't a last resort: Iraq
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#59
I listened to her speech. I was counting on her and other Democrats to tell the lying Bush and
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#84
Didn't you get the memo? Bernie is perfect no matter what he says or doesn't say.
leftofcool
Sep 2015
#10
why no, he's not perfect. she's still an interventionist with strong neocon impulses
cali
Sep 2015
#15
Exactly right. Hillary compared the GOP to terrorists in regard to women, and slammed them for
still_one
Sep 2015
#11
actually, John Kerry said something very similar. When Bernie said he would never remove military
still_one
Sep 2015
#27
That it's still an option. If you don't get the vast gulf between "an option" and
jeff47
Sep 2015
#31
The fact that he was instrumental in making the Iran deal a reality, makes him credible. I suspect
still_one
Sep 2015
#73
No snark perceived :) "Well, let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind about Iraq."
arcane1
Sep 2015
#88
Which part of "the military option should always be on the table, but it should be the last option."
still_one
Sep 2015
#34
What part of going to war with Iraq wasn't the last option confuses you?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#37
and all the Democratic candidates, except maybe Jim Webb are saying that. The only ones banging the
still_one
Sep 2015
#54
Your claim that there is little difference between the two speeches is pathetic.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#61
I disagree. A war hawk is everyone of the republican candidates, except just maybe, Rand Paul,
still_one
Sep 2015
#70
Not quite sure if I follow you, but verification is very much part of the deal, and every Democratic
still_one
Sep 2015
#62
Of course she knows her audience. She is trying to get them to support this deal.
SunSeeker
Sep 2015
#101
Your question is a strawman and ignoring Hillary's dog whistle won't work.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#102
It is not a "dog whistle" for war, for fuck's sake. "Distrust and verify" IS this deal.
SunSeeker
Sep 2015
#108
Sure it is, denying it won't make it not true. And you guys call us dreamers?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#109
And the same level of denial and obligatory insults I've come to expect from you.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#111
"Tragically wrong then, wrong know". Identical words used by the White House yesterday.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2015
#66
The difference is Hillary has dodged sniper fire in a war zone, Bernie has not!
raindaddy
Sep 2015
#87
"War should be the last option..." No corporate media coverage though ...
slipslidingaway
Sep 2015
#94
How can this be true? The man who wanted Obama primaried and has never worked with Democrats
Autumn
Sep 2015
#106
Yeah that's about the size of it. Word salads that are irrelevant to ones' post
Autumn
Sep 2015
#120
AND THEY PUT IT ON CREDIT.DID NOT PAY FOR IT. cut taxes. CUT TAXES! no war tax. NONE. war is NOT
pansypoo53219
Sep 2015
#128