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Kicked and recommended. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #1
Forget the liberal label. It's corporatists vs populists. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #2
Well yes and no Armstead Sep 2015 #4
There are Conservative Populists, Moderate Populists, Liberal Populists, Progressive Populists Skwmom Sep 2015 #11
I think the OP is correct about the split in the party. The DLC/Third Way takeover sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #17
What sabrina said. n/t SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #174
You are absolutely right. Aerows Sep 2015 #110
Here's another truism: DIVIDE TO CONQUER. Hortensis Sep 2015 #122
Here's the thing Aerows Sep 2015 #127
This mood you describe is precious and so hard purchased. I just hope Hortensis Sep 2015 #130
"he's not a thousandth so full of himself as some of the people here" Aerows Sep 2015 #133
You need to understand that many with interest newly awakened to the Hortensis Sep 2015 #139
"You need to understand" Aerows Sep 2015 #142
"You need to understand"? How condescending. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #175
We cannot be afraid of invisible people who may or may not artislife Sep 2015 #168
Your posts are full of attacks on your fellow DUers, express and implied, DUers who had not yet merrily Sep 2015 #188
No, they're full of explanations of what "United We Stand" means Hortensis Sep 2015 #270
I was not the only one to notice your insults. Get a clue. merrily Sep 2015 #271
I'd be laughing. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #283
. merrily Sep 2015 #284
You guys sure know how to party. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #287
Are you kidding? Get over here. merrily Sep 2015 #288
We'll need to discuss that, a little further down the road. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #290
You Talk Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #177
Marty, Bernie IS new to the role he plays now. To a very real degree, Hortensis Sep 2015 #272
He is not the leader of a nascent movement. He's a traditional Democrat. merrily Sep 2015 #187
Traditional Democrats were not the ones who initiated the division. The DLCers/New Democrats did. merrily Sep 2015 #186
Truth is, we need a different term. Liberal does have a component of laissez faire corporatism, merrily Sep 2015 #185
Personally I like progressive populist Armstead Sep 2015 #231
Progressive populist is les ambiguous than either term alone, I think. merrily Sep 2015 #234
Well yeah but....I thin k a lot of people have no idea of what traditional Democrat is anymore Armstead Sep 2015 #237
Okay, you've convinced me. I'm going back to we need a new term. merrily Sep 2015 #241
How about iDem? Armstead Sep 2015 #243
I have no idea what that means (so it's probably perfect). merrily Sep 2015 #244
iPhine,iPad,iPod....everything today is iThis Armstead Sep 2015 #245
Okay, so as in internet Dems. Wouldn't that be covered by Netroots? merrily Sep 2015 #246
P.S. You don't have to "try" to be cool. You ARE cool. merrily Sep 2015 #247
Merrily, liberal is also 1 of 2 or 3 basic personality types. You could reject it because Hortensis Sep 2015 #275
K&R! n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #3
very true ibegurpard Sep 2015 #5
Pick a side there is NO middle ground! YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #6
The middle is where you find yellow stripes and roadkill. Scuba Sep 2015 #20
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #113
++ fadedrose Sep 2015 #129
... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #151
Until now, traditional Democrats have been the road kill. merrily Sep 2015 #189
IMO, very ridiculous. Where do you think 50 million Democrats are standing? Hortensis Sep 2015 #125
Wow. Condescend much? You think we don't know about forging alliances or about Bernie? merrily Sep 2015 #190
Right on. You're either corporate or you're not. SusanaMontana41 Sep 2015 #173
I think middle ground exists, but the middle is not where DLC types say it is. merrily Sep 2015 #191
Agreed. K&R LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #7
Recommended. Additionally, I think there's an honesty divide Ron Green Sep 2015 #8
You hit on an important point Armstead Sep 2015 #10
A question for the bubble-dwellers ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #21
1. Because of her Wall Street donors. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #27
You actually addressed the questions as you see it ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #78
JUmping in for a second Armstead Sep 2015 #86
Refreshing! Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #111
As a mother of a 20 year old, I can azmom Sep 2015 #138
Okay, so like Armstead, you see corporate mergers as being the problem? ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #141
Can't say I agree with all that. RichVRichV Sep 2015 #153
+1 and a 1000 Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #178
We're going to have to agree to disagree ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #248
Much of that is untrue. RichVRichV Sep 2015 #268
It is very very true ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #277
Not quite. RichVRichV Sep 2015 #278
Here is the crux of the issue ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #285
Now you're confusing the NLRB. RichVRichV Sep 2015 #286
Great post Gothmog Sep 2015 #28
They're not narrow slots -- Just the opposite Armstead Sep 2015 #39
You are very very wrong in your assessment Gothmog Sep 2015 #73
Many others seem to disagree with you. Armstead Sep 2015 #77
You are welcomed to your opinions no matter how wrong you are Gothmog Sep 2015 #83
I appeciate your work...seriously Armstead Sep 2015 #84
The bulk of the party fits into your category of corporate democrats Gothmog Sep 2015 #107
I can debunk the $17 trillion claim in under two minutes. RichVRichV Sep 2015 #156
Do you really believe this? Gothmog Sep 2015 #167
Don't Mess with Texas artislife Sep 2015 #169
Do you want to compare how many delegats Texas has compared to Iowa and NH? Gothmog Sep 2015 #258
I saw the delegate count artislife Sep 2015 #261
I spent a ton of time last cycle helping people get ids Gothmog Sep 2015 #264
They're not my numbers. RichVRichV Sep 2015 #172
Rember Berniacs Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #179
Do you know how many delegates Texas has to the DNC? Gothmog Sep 2015 #259
Your pedantic claim that only you live "in the real world" is tiresome bullshit LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #219
How many campaigns have you worked on? Gothmog Sep 2015 #257
One, thank you very much. And I reiterate, your claim is pedantic, tiresome, condescending bullshit LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #262
Time will tell Gothmog Sep 2015 #263
In the primary, it will be uphill for Sanders LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #267
None of those things are the reasons why McGovern lost that election. And, this ain't 1972. merrily Sep 2015 #192
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it Gothmog Sep 2015 #194
Yes. So stop ignoring the real reasons why McGovern lost and the real differences between 1972 and merrily Sep 2015 #196
McGovern was the candidate selected by Nixon Gothmog Sep 2015 #199
I no longer attempt substantive replies to in the face of insulting, arrogant posts. merrily Sep 2015 #201
Go ahead and ignore history Gothmog Sep 2015 #204
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=601007 merrily Sep 2015 #208
I disagree mostly with yout premise Armstead Sep 2015 #236
Most people who are looking at the polls believe that Clinton will be the nominee Gothmog Sep 2015 #255
FWIW malokvale77 Sep 2015 #223
Thanks, malokvale77. I never have a problem with anyone's disagreement on issues, even if merrily Sep 2015 #225
Yes: See 2010 and 2014 for the effects of running candidates unwilling to take LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #220
I would disagree that a majority of the party doesn't share this view dflprincess Sep 2015 #163
So the nationwide polls are all wrong? Gothmog Sep 2015 #166
Nationwide polls? They show that, given a real choice, Americans are more liberal than the 3rd way merrily Sep 2015 #193
Apologies for the OT, but I want to make sure you see this. merrily Sep 2015 #209
Thanks - great ideas. dflprincess Sep 2015 #280
I certainly felt this schism back in 2008 when Edwards left the race then... cascadiance Sep 2015 #75
Edwards....um, that was kind of an embarassing chapter Armstead Sep 2015 #79
As did many of us, who liked that he was speaking more on many of the inequality issues directly... cascadiance Sep 2015 #134
Edwards, who was a third way legislator, was a slick talking snake oil salesman. JMO merrily Sep 2015 #198
A schism has been in the Party since Lincoln. FDR, HST, JFK and LBJ all dealt with it. merrily Sep 2015 #195
The problem we have is that we must draw the line somewhere. If Clinton wins the WH rhett o rick Sep 2015 #118
and I will say Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #180
A country that cares about its PEOPLE. merrily Sep 2015 #200
Despise? No.... daleanime Sep 2015 #31
The name-calling betrays your emotionalism ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #61
Huh? You're not a 'Proud Member of the Reality Based Community'? daleanime Sep 2015 #71
name calling? Armstead Sep 2015 #87
Not to put too fine a point on it... ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #93
You're probably right but it works both ways Armstead Sep 2015 #99
........ daleanime Sep 2015 #128
At best, I think you're oversimplifying ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #132
We're never going to agree but... Armstead Sep 2015 #150
I thought that exchange was pretty civil treestar Sep 2015 #273
So many fallacies, so little time hueymahl Sep 2015 #164
"because Hillary Clinton is very much a liberal" LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #221
Sorry, I don't think Conservative Democrat is right at all. Compare earlier posts in the Bernie merrily Sep 2015 #203
Who started what and went way overboard with it is a matter of perception. merrily Sep 2015 #202
I liked "bubble dwellers" Fairgo Sep 2015 #96
Like drinking champagne inside a geodesic dome! Cheers! merrily Sep 2015 #205
Heee! nt artislife Sep 2015 #254
name calling? didn't you post up thread that liberals are actually communists who are Doctor_J Sep 2015 #152
Their name calling of us doesn't count, only our criticism of a professional politician on issues merrily Sep 2015 #211
What do your insults "betray" then? merrily Sep 2015 #217
You're doing exactky what I was referring to Armstead Sep 2015 #35
Oh, let me add the Kafka-esque accusations ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #56
You're right. "Thanks for playing" is not serious Armstead Sep 2015 #58
You should google my tagline ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #66
I'm not sure of which perjorative you are referring to in the OP Armstead Sep 2015 #68
"Pro-Business" is a Liberal capitalist. "Corporatist" is a Conservative capitalist. ieoeja Sep 2015 #76
So where did you get the idea that Secretary Clinton is a "Conservative Capitalist" ? ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #82
Would you prefer Third-Wing or Neoliberal (both terms she has called herself)? ieoeja Sep 2015 #95
I prefer to look at voting records... ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #102
Let me guess: She voted with her caucus most or all of the time. Big whoop. merrily Sep 2015 #212
You're to the right of Clinton, who'd a guessed that? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #222
Terrible post. Ron Green Sep 2015 #80
Sounds like you're calling us communists. senz Sep 2015 #85
People who can't distinguish between Hillary/Obama on one side... ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #98
So why is the ACA healthcare a modern version of conservative GOP Romneycare? Armstead Sep 2015 #105
Excellent question. I'll let Newt Gingrich answer that one: ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #143
But Hillary campaigned for a mandate in 2008 dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #265
Romneycare was modeled on Billarycare, which was modeled on Heritage Foundationcare, which was merrily Sep 2015 #206
You obviously don't know what a communist is. senz Sep 2015 #162
Pssst. Posting arrogant insults does not make them true. merrily Sep 2015 #213
You are absolutely correct. bvar22 Sep 2015 #135
old-fashioned communists passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #144
Whose game, I wonder? merrily Sep 2015 #214
Nobody here is an "old-fashioned communist", buddy. Ken Burch Sep 2015 #171
Amen. Corporatism is not DirkGently Sep 2015 #104
so spot on -- it's about leveling the playing field so everyone can compete. nashville_brook Sep 2015 #233
Bernie wants controlled capitalism d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #38
I've a sorta similar version chknltl Sep 2015 #108
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #117
IMO Most people don't have to know where the money is going d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #140
Huge +1! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #116
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #114
Yes, that is it. The collision course was set and now is coming to fruition, mmonk Sep 2015 #9
Which is where I feel Obama had his biggest failure.... daleanime Sep 2015 #18
I tend to agree with that unfortunately Armstead Sep 2015 #46
It's a matter of perspective Scootaloo Sep 2015 #60
Damn fine perspective Scootaloo Aerows Sep 2015 #136
An opinion that I share. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #119
Yes, you are correct. I still remember the cat food commission mmonk Sep 2015 #184
Sorry, I'm not following. Who do you mean by "we?" Democratic politicians or Democratic voters? merrily Sep 2015 #215
I mean all of us... daleanime Sep 2015 #226
Thanks. Agreement is tricky. merrily Sep 2015 #227
Ok, this is going to sound woo... artislife Sep 2015 #12
Not really woo Armstead Sep 2015 #13
The bit I have never understood, TheJames Sep 2015 #33
Like the old saying goes: Armstead Sep 2015 #43
Truth. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #121
Yes! JDPriestly Sep 2015 #69
Great post, artislife! Scootaloo Sep 2015 #63
Not woo. Your post could have been about me. Of course I have not a spec of woo. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #120
Not one spec! artislife Sep 2015 #170
Yes, we can't keep going down the rabbit hole without fighting back. mmonk Sep 2015 #182
War has risks, well, winning a war requires taking risks, though, of course, one merrily Sep 2015 #218
great summary restorefreedom Sep 2015 #14
Huge K&R me b zola Sep 2015 #15
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #16
American's now know that Wall St. isn't interested in solving economic and societal problems. jalan48 Sep 2015 #19
My message from the corporate democrats: fbc Sep 2015 #22
I disagree. First of all, the large majority of Dems like both Hillary and Bernie. DanTex Sep 2015 #23
I often wonder ... staggerleem Sep 2015 #40
A few on both sides Armstead Sep 2015 #81
Thanks for injecting some reality into DU fantasy land workinclasszero Sep 2015 #42
You missed the point Armstead Sep 2015 #48
Thank goodness for the Agora Fairgo Sep 2015 #115
Two Points Armstead Sep 2015 #47
Sure, but your opinion is only held by a tiny minority of Dems. DanTex Sep 2015 #49
Neither you or I have talked to everyone in the country Armstead Sep 2015 #53
They have polls for that. DanTex Sep 2015 #57
I'd give Obama high marks too Armstead Sep 2015 #59
So what's the problem with Hillary then? She's basically the same place policy-wise. DanTex Sep 2015 #64
She's all over the place Armstead Sep 2015 #65
Those are labels, not policies. As far as gay marriage, again she's the same as Obama, DanTex Sep 2015 #67
It is a pretty brroad casting of the support of Hillary to say it is all "corporate" Cosmocat Sep 2015 #70
Please read my OP again Armstead Sep 2015 #74
Eh Cosmocat Sep 2015 #91
PS Bill Clinton ran as a populist but governed as a moderate Republican Armstead Sep 2015 #50
Open your mouth Aerows Sep 2015 #137
HRC - Is A DLCer & Obligated To Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - A Favorite Friend Of The 1% cantbeserious Sep 2015 #24
"Profits over People" "Public Risk and Private Gain"... dougolat Sep 2015 #25
Nice! daleanime Sep 2015 #32
...+1 840high Sep 2015 #72
Thanks for an awesome post shireen Sep 2015 #26
Yes- I agree. Kick and rec. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #29
I keep thinking of Aristotle's cycle of regimes. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #30
I agree, and I would like to say that I think that Bernie is not talking about a socialist revolutio JDPriestly Sep 2015 #34
Things will never be better for the 99% workinclasszero Sep 2015 #92
My husband says people are for Bernie because they are against corpotate crime. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #36
Huge +1! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #124
Nah, this schism has been around, openly since 2008. apnu Sep 2015 #37
The only thing I disagree with you on.... Armstead Sep 2015 #41
Yes, you are correct which is why I said "openly" apnu Sep 2015 #51
I never thought Obama was not part of the establishment Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #145
Eagerly K & R'd! Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #44
Thank you. Well thought out. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #45
A good and thoughtful post. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #52
"Sometimes it's been subtle and duplicitous, hidden behind nice innocuous words. " RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #54
Excellent points. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #126
The corporate Democrats have done very well HassleCat Sep 2015 #55
Doesn't matter...When GOP is in power they get what they want. When the GOP is out of power... Armstead Sep 2015 #62
Wow! Well said! emsimon33 Sep 2015 #88
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #89
K&R. You nailed it. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #90
I used to refer to this schism as "East VS West" Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #94
Hillary hatched her own discontent by supporting a shitastic set of policies LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #224
The British musician, gay rights activist and journalist Tom Robinson hifiguy Sep 2015 #97
Or Iris DeMent -- Wasteland of the Free Armstead Sep 2015 #100
Bernie has never said "socialist revolution". DrBulldog Sep 2015 #101
I'm not the one who thinks that Armstead Sep 2015 #103
Great post!! ut oh Sep 2015 #106
I disagree. Populists are not liberal and Populists are not Democratic or strongly democratic,. Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #109
Populism itself is a fairly neutral term -- like all othrs open to interpretation Armstead Sep 2015 #148
Important distinction. Paka Sep 2015 #165
Wah? you don't use a dictionary? Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #289
K&R! Obviously this post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #112
Excellent post, great thread... Duppers Sep 2015 #123
Actually it's been since zentrum Sep 2015 #131
You're right...Democrats are still running from the 1960's Armstead Sep 2015 #146
Agreed. zentrum Sep 2015 #157
As a DU Dem Lefter here's what I say: KoKo Sep 2015 #147
The DLC/Third Way/Centrist faction cost us the House and the Senate and left Obama holding the bag! Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #149
I agree with you, we want a liberal not some fake liberal calling themselves populist. Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #158
There is more than a schism, I think. sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #154
Kicked... Keep The Truth Coming! n/t ChiciB1 Sep 2015 #155
This sums it up.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #159
What If? colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #160
I just see two parties PatrynXX Sep 2015 #161
Thom Hartmann cited this thread and you by name, Armstead. senz Sep 2015 #176
Thanks for letting me know. Alas I didn't hear my 15 seonds of fame Armstead Sep 2015 #228
I think I found it. senz Sep 2015 #249
Thanks for the link to Thom's broadcast... KoKo Sep 2015 #250
No problem. I hadn't known about this website either. senz Sep 2015 #252
He leads off with it. Right after the news, 6:45 minutes in. senz Sep 2015 #251
Thom Hartmann follows DU. senz Sep 2015 #253
There's a poster that uses Thom's name in the Video & Multimedia Forum KoKo Sep 2015 #256
Interesting. But people do post under famous names senz Sep 2015 #260
It's not the Gorilla.... KoKo Sep 2015 #266
Either way, KoKo is a wonderful name. senz Sep 2015 #269
Thanks a lot. I heard it. Armstead Sep 2015 #281
Glad you did. You're famous now! senz Sep 2015 #282
The DLC took over because Democrats were tired of losing elections Recursion Sep 2015 #181
That's called throwing out the baby wirh the bathwater Armstead Sep 2015 #230
Maybe so, but this is why the DLC was formed, and it delivered Recursion Sep 2015 #239
2 points Armstead Sep 2015 #242
Congress has been lost more since the DLC than before the DLC. merrily Sep 2015 #235
Conservative dems were our only two pick-ups in 2014 Recursion Sep 2015 #238
I see 2010 and 2014 as routs? Sorry, that is not exactly a subjective assessment. merrily Sep 2015 #240
Thank you for making me think of that "unfettered capitalism" thing... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #183
Hillary and Bernie voted the same 94% of the time. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #197
I haven't forgotten how much I had before the Democratic Party went Third Way or what my vote was mmonk Sep 2015 #207
That statement is highly misleading and intended to be so. And you've misstated it anyway. merrily Sep 2015 #216
As usual, you missed the point Armstead Sep 2015 #232
All they care about is money. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #210
First Rule Of Third-Way Club MoveIt Sep 2015 #229
Maybe they just disagree with how to deal with the economy treestar Sep 2015 #274
Your faith in the good intentions of the oligarchs is touching Armstead Sep 2015 #279
Thank you oldandhappy Sep 2015 #276
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