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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Forget Sanders and Clinton for a moment. This is a symbolic schism that has been long brewing [View all]Paka
(2,760 posts)165. Important distinction.
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Forget Sanders and Clinton for a moment. This is a symbolic schism that has been long brewing [View all]
Armstead
Sep 2015
OP
There are Conservative Populists, Moderate Populists, Liberal Populists, Progressive Populists
Skwmom
Sep 2015
#11
I think the OP is correct about the split in the party. The DLC/Third Way takeover
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#17
Your posts are full of attacks on your fellow DUers, express and implied, DUers who had not yet
merrily
Sep 2015
#188
Traditional Democrats were not the ones who initiated the division. The DLCers/New Democrats did.
merrily
Sep 2015
#186
Truth is, we need a different term. Liberal does have a component of laissez faire corporatism,
merrily
Sep 2015
#185
Well yeah but....I thin k a lot of people have no idea of what traditional Democrat is anymore
Armstead
Sep 2015
#237
Merrily, liberal is also 1 of 2 or 3 basic personality types. You could reject it because
Hortensis
Sep 2015
#275
Wow. Condescend much? You think we don't know about forging alliances or about Bernie?
merrily
Sep 2015
#190
I think middle ground exists, but the middle is not where DLC types say it is.
merrily
Sep 2015
#191
Okay, so like Armstead, you see corporate mergers as being the problem?
ConservativeDemocrat
Sep 2015
#141
Your pedantic claim that only you live "in the real world" is tiresome bullshit
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#219
One, thank you very much. And I reiterate, your claim is pedantic, tiresome, condescending bullshit
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#262
None of those things are the reasons why McGovern lost that election. And, this ain't 1972.
merrily
Sep 2015
#192
Yes. So stop ignoring the real reasons why McGovern lost and the real differences between 1972 and
merrily
Sep 2015
#196
I no longer attempt substantive replies to in the face of insulting, arrogant posts.
merrily
Sep 2015
#201
Most people who are looking at the polls believe that Clinton will be the nominee
Gothmog
Sep 2015
#255
Thanks, malokvale77. I never have a problem with anyone's disagreement on issues, even if
merrily
Sep 2015
#225
Yes: See 2010 and 2014 for the effects of running candidates unwilling to take
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#220
Nationwide polls? They show that, given a real choice, Americans are more liberal than the 3rd way
merrily
Sep 2015
#193
I certainly felt this schism back in 2008 when Edwards left the race then...
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#75
As did many of us, who liked that he was speaking more on many of the inequality issues directly...
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#134
Edwards, who was a third way legislator, was a slick talking snake oil salesman. JMO
merrily
Sep 2015
#198
A schism has been in the Party since Lincoln. FDR, HST, JFK and LBJ all dealt with it.
merrily
Sep 2015
#195
The problem we have is that we must draw the line somewhere. If Clinton wins the WH
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#118
Sorry, I don't think Conservative Democrat is right at all. Compare earlier posts in the Bernie
merrily
Sep 2015
#203
name calling? didn't you post up thread that liberals are actually communists who are
Doctor_J
Sep 2015
#152
Their name calling of us doesn't count, only our criticism of a professional politician on issues
merrily
Sep 2015
#211
"Pro-Business" is a Liberal capitalist. "Corporatist" is a Conservative capitalist.
ieoeja
Sep 2015
#76
So where did you get the idea that Secretary Clinton is a "Conservative Capitalist" ?
ConservativeDemocrat
Sep 2015
#82
So why is the ACA healthcare a modern version of conservative GOP Romneycare?
Armstead
Sep 2015
#105
Romneycare was modeled on Billarycare, which was modeled on Heritage Foundationcare, which was
merrily
Sep 2015
#206
so spot on -- it's about leveling the playing field so everyone can compete.
nashville_brook
Sep 2015
#233
Sorry, I'm not following. Who do you mean by "we?" Democratic politicians or Democratic voters?
merrily
Sep 2015
#215
Not woo. Your post could have been about me. Of course I have not a spec of woo.
Enthusiast
Sep 2015
#120
War has risks, well, winning a war requires taking risks, though, of course, one
merrily
Sep 2015
#218
American's now know that Wall St. isn't interested in solving economic and societal problems.
jalan48
Sep 2015
#19
I disagree. First of all, the large majority of Dems like both Hillary and Bernie.
DanTex
Sep 2015
#23
So what's the problem with Hillary then? She's basically the same place policy-wise.
DanTex
Sep 2015
#64
Those are labels, not policies. As far as gay marriage, again she's the same as Obama,
DanTex
Sep 2015
#67
It is a pretty brroad casting of the support of Hillary to say it is all "corporate"
Cosmocat
Sep 2015
#70
HRC - Is A DLCer & Obligated To Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - A Favorite Friend Of The 1%
cantbeserious
Sep 2015
#24
I agree, and I would like to say that I think that Bernie is not talking about a socialist revolutio
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#34
My husband says people are for Bernie because they are against corpotate crime.
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#36
"Sometimes it's been subtle and duplicitous, hidden behind nice innocuous words. "
RufusTFirefly
Sep 2015
#54
Doesn't matter...When GOP is in power they get what they want. When the GOP is out of power...
Armstead
Sep 2015
#62
Hillary hatched her own discontent by supporting a shitastic set of policies
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#224
I disagree. Populists are not liberal and Populists are not Democratic or strongly democratic,.
Todays_Illusion
Sep 2015
#109
Populism itself is a fairly neutral term -- like all othrs open to interpretation
Armstead
Sep 2015
#148
The DLC/Third Way/Centrist faction cost us the House and the Senate and left Obama holding the bag!
Major Hogwash
Sep 2015
#149
I agree with you, we want a liberal not some fake liberal calling themselves populist.
Todays_Illusion
Sep 2015
#158
I see 2010 and 2014 as routs? Sorry, that is not exactly a subjective assessment.
merrily
Sep 2015
#240
I haven't forgotten how much I had before the Democratic Party went Third Way or what my vote was
mmonk
Sep 2015
#207