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HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
5. The Second Amendment
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:38 AM
Oct 2015

Our constitution is very bold in that it extends an extremely dangerous right to almost every citizen. We pretty much guarantee all citizens the unfettered right to own as many ordinary small arms as they want. Originally, we did this so the citizenry could organize itself to fight off the King when he came back to reclaim his colonies. And he did exactly that, reinforcing the idea that we all had to be armed and ready. Of course, armed citizens help chase the Indians off the plains, enforce Jim Crow laws, shoot down some criminals, etc. Some of these things were not things we are proud of today, but they reinforced our love of firearms. Our courts ignore the "well regulated" language and rule that all citizens are part of the unorganized militia, and therefore have an unqualified constitutional right to own firearms without the government even knowing how many and what kind they have, let alone putting any restrictions in the way of getting them.

Personally, I feel the situation is backward. If I were to bestow such a potentially dangerous right on someone, I would give it to you guys up there, where you still seem to have some notion of civic responsibility and duty to your fellow citizens. But those very traits make you hesitant to allow everyone to own guns. Here, we are more self-centered, more individualistic, more fearful of our government and our fellow citizens, so many of us feel we need guns to preserve our freedoms. Perhaps this is because so many of us have so little regard for each other and our freedoms that we cannot conceive of acting in concert to look out for the rights and freedoms of our neighbors. I don't know. I do know the right to keep an bear arms is an extremely liberal freedom, and we are proving ourselves not worthy of it.

If you're not a homeowner you can't get a gun? Armstead Oct 2015 #1
That is our law in Canada. akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #2
Kinda sucks. I know a lot of good people who rent. Including me. Armstead Oct 2015 #4
I do not know about you, but for me, I would never want to own a gun. akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #7
So banks can own guns in Canada? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #41
Secon amendment, second amendment, second amendment. SheilaT Oct 2015 #3
President Obama should say tomorrow that gun owners yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #6
You know that is not going to work. The NRA is very powerful and some states who are akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #10
I think the NRA's power is exaggerated because people want a bogeyman goldent Oct 2015 #12
You have to remember that some Democrats represent states that are pro-gun and akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #14
Might be like asking why people need 10 guitars or 8 cats or 4 cars goldent Oct 2015 #18
I disagree. Most Americans want some form of gun control such as background checks and waiting liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #15
You are probably right that Americans want gun controls goldent Oct 2015 #21
I agree with that. It's weird. It's like they are the only group other than lobbyists politicians liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #23
I agree with you. Most Americans want some form of gun control but the akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #22
The only power the NRA has is our Constitution pipoman Oct 2015 #26
The federal Gun Control Act of 1968 states there are certain people who cannot own a liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #29
what is and isn't possible federally has been pretty well defined.... pipoman Oct 2015 #31
I disagree. If they can pass a federal law stating that certain people cannot possess a firearm liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #33
You can disagree if you wish....disagreement doesn't change facts pipoman Oct 2015 #37
ridiculous pipoman Oct 2015 #24
It wouldn't make me giddy to violate the Constitution. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #47
That's among the silliest replies I've read on this subject... NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #51
Gun lovers like yourself that doesn't surprise me yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #52
Gun under my pillow? Seriously? NaturalHigh Oct 2015 #55
Lol. I was being sarcastic yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #56
Actually TeddyR Oct 2015 #54
LOL...FFS... pipoman Oct 2015 #20
No it doesn't or people wouldn't do it so damn much... Fumesucker Oct 2015 #43
The Second Amendment HassleCat Oct 2015 #5
America has a lot of people who feels that owning a gun makes them safe but I disagree with that! akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #8
Those in power keep power by whipping the citizens into a panic driven frenzy. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #9
That is the problem. the fear mongering, but I still do not understand how akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #11
No, the 2nd...in fact the entire constitution was written by people pipoman Oct 2015 #17
Because not enough states or voters wish to amend our Constitution....simple pipoman Oct 2015 #13
I do no understand, is the US Constitution based on a gun mentality or an akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #16
The US constitition is enumeration of individual rights and limitation on government.period. pipoman Oct 2015 #19
I think you have to explain what you mean! akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #25
I don't know how to be more clear. pipoman Oct 2015 #27
Ok, am sorry if I challenged you. You are not the law maker akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #30
There is a process for amending the constitution pipoman Oct 2015 #34
The Constitution TeddyR Oct 2015 #53
Because they're largely the same laws that don't work in other large unequal countries Recursion Oct 2015 #28
The law works when it comes to gun control, but the US akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #32
Because we're much more like Brazil than Germany Recursion Oct 2015 #35
The US is working on the racism and inequality and you akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #36
The past is not gone. It's not even past. Recursion Oct 2015 #38
You are so right! How can we as a people try to move forward? akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #39
It comes down to money. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #40
In the US the pro gun control faction is wider but shallow, people won't go to the barricades for it Fumesucker Oct 2015 #42
Because of the NRA. And congressmen like Bernie Sanders. DanTex Oct 2015 #44
Just had to get in a dig. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #48
The D- is meaningless. He voted against the Brady Bill, and for the immunity bill, which was the DanTex Oct 2015 #49
a start would be like cars, require insurance on more than 3 guns & registration fee, like /w cars. Sunlei Oct 2015 #45
It's a simple answer, really. LWolf Oct 2015 #46
Because, despite all the bluster, America is chickenshit when it comes to guns. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #50
Because our political system is FOBAR. nt ladjf Oct 2015 #57
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