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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
17. Well done Bernie
Wed Oct 7, 2015, 03:02 AM
Oct 2015

I had been disappointed the previous night with how Chris Hayes had led Bernie into the soft-on-guns frame, but got no such impression from this interview, and Bernie seemed much more prepared to discuss the issue.

Personally I like his stance on guns. I am somewhat conflicted on the issue. I despise guns personally, but lean towards giving individuals as much personal freedom as reasonably possible rather than controlling everyone's behavior. Background checks and closing loopholes seem like good places we should be able to reach agreement and pass legislation, also banning assault weapons and limiting the quantity of guns or ammo seems reasonable.

My overall take on the issue is that many of these killers are people who need more love and support in their lives, they are often isolated and don't fit in. Our society has become far more socialized than it used to be, and it's harder on the outliers. We've done nothing on the positive engagement side of reaching out to such people before they become violent, instead we wait until they show signs of acting on their inner frustrations, then we reach out in largely humiliating and punitive ways to remove the blight on our society, when many of these people could have been helped at an earlier stage if we bothered to care about those who didn't really fit in.

Some of this involves mental illness, but a lot of it is just people who for whatever reason things didn't work out well for them. Most such people just live in quiet despair, but a certain percentage of them turn their despair outward in hate. In a society with so much joy and opportunity for a lot of people, there is far too much despair for a significant number of people, far too little compassion for their fate, and virtually no positive outreach to such people.

I see a gun grab as mostly another brick in the wall to such people, more likely to escalate than to prevent mass killings. Let's work on demilitarizing our culture in general, legalize herb to help chill us out, frown upon rather than glorify conquest and warfare, and learn how to help each other a little more. A strong safety net would also help a lot, so people could feel like they'll be ok when times are hard. As things chill out and the culture changes, it will be easier to reduce the presence of guns in society.

Re TPP, Bernie has this issue well rehearsed and he's been consistent on it forever, it is from his heart and it aligns with the interests of workers, Bernie at his best, corporate Democrats and Republicans at their worst.

Bernie was great on MSNBC tonight [View all] bkkyosemite Oct 2015 OP
Yes he was Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #1
Saw that, have to agree Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #2
If you mean Chris Hayes, what I saw was about the union bill & gunz and Bernie did well. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #3
Yeah, he's been doing it for 1/4 century so he should have it down by now. moobu2 Oct 2015 #4
Yup, unlike Hillary who changes her mind according to polling results. n/t zalinda Oct 2015 #5
Correction RobertEarl Oct 2015 #6
And there's something wrong with consistency? Armstead Oct 2015 #7
I think Hayes does good with Bernie Armstead Oct 2015 #8
Agreed. SoapBox Oct 2015 #14
Is there a video available? Duckfan Oct 2015 #9
Here is a link to that excerpt Samantha Oct 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Samantha Oct 2015 #11
He came off as really energetic. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #12
KILLED IT. Indepatriot Oct 2015 #13
I'm glad to hear that Bernie did well. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #15
Bernie made his points Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2015 #16
Well done Bernie dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #17
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