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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: How can thoughtful people even *consider* Hillary for President? [View all]cprise
(8,445 posts)287. No war monger is 1000x better than another one!!!!!
Not even 2x. Putting a softer face on what amounts to bloodthirst the politics of fear will just allow more people to be sucked in.
This Iran thing is going to hurt her if it plays out the way it did when Bush tried it...
Clinton proclaimed that she too [is] deeply concerned about Iranian aggression and the need to confront it. Its a ruthless, brutal regime that has the blood of Americans, many others and including its own people on its hands. Even worse, she said, Its political rallies resound with cries of Death to America. Its leaders talk about wiping Israel off the face of the map, most recently just yesterday, and foment terror against it. There is absolutely no reason to trust Iran. She repeated that claim several times for emphasis: They vow to destroy Israel. And thats worth saying again. They vow to destroy Israel.
She vowed that in dealing with Iran, she will be tougher and more aggressive than Reagan was with the Soviet Union: You remember President Reagans line about the Soviets: Trust but verify? My approach will be distrust and verify. She also explicitly threatened Iran with war if they fail to comply: I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon, and I will set up my successor to be able to credibly make the same pledge. She even depicted the Iran Deal as making a future war with Iran easier and more powerful:
Should it become necessary in the future having exhausted peaceful alternatives to turn to military force, we will have preserved and in some cases enhanced our capacity to act. And because we have proven our commitment to diplomacy first, the world will more likely join us.
https://theintercept.com/2015/09/09/hillary-clinton-goes-militaristic-hawkish-think-tank-gives-militaristic-hawkish-speech/
She vowed that in dealing with Iran, she will be tougher and more aggressive than Reagan was with the Soviet Union: You remember President Reagans line about the Soviets: Trust but verify? My approach will be distrust and verify. She also explicitly threatened Iran with war if they fail to comply: I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon, and I will set up my successor to be able to credibly make the same pledge. She even depicted the Iran Deal as making a future war with Iran easier and more powerful:
Should it become necessary in the future having exhausted peaceful alternatives to turn to military force, we will have preserved and in some cases enhanced our capacity to act. And because we have proven our commitment to diplomacy first, the world will more likely join us.
https://theintercept.com/2015/09/09/hillary-clinton-goes-militaristic-hawkish-think-tank-gives-militaristic-hawkish-speech/
Remember the "Wipe off the map!" claims by Bush that Farsi-speaking scholars debunked as a mistranslation? Yeah...
You see how two-faced she is? She would never have said that at the debates!!!! Not with O'Malley and Sanders standing there because they would refuse to get sucked in.
Hillary supports the Iran deal only as a precursor in a larger strategy that does not include improved relations. As with Iraq, Libya and Syria, she is out for 'regime change' excitement.
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How can thoughtful people even *consider* Hillary for President? [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2015
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Believe it or not millions of people vote for a candidate based off shit like that alone.
JRLeft
Oct 2015
#5
Hillary is the best person based off of what her Wall Street ties, MIC, PIC, Fossil fuel, or Big
JRLeft
Oct 2015
#96
By the anti-Haillary crowd you would thing Hillary alone voted us into the Iraqi war. She voted on
kelliekat44
Oct 2015
#198
Bernie had the same information, asked intelligent questions about how we would govern
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#208
I disagree. She didn't fall for the lies, no one with half a brain "fell for the lies". She did it
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#213
Bernie Sanders voted for and gave bush all the authorization he needed for war
BlueStateLib
Oct 2015
#228
Sept. 14, 2001 congressional resolution approving military action against terrorism (S.J. Res 23)·
BlueStateLib
Oct 2015
#251
She voted on the same info that caused Sanders and Chafee to vote against it--except she didn't read
merrily
Oct 2015
#226
IMO, her Iraq War vote was not just weathervaning (new verb, I think--I like it!)
merrily
Oct 2015
#263
No, Few are running against her because the DNC discouraged primary challenges.
merrily
Oct 2015
#225
No, it is not: The Party in charge of the Primaries: The Pary is made up of winning Dem's
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#293
Not bad but you need a lot more practice if you want to become a stand-up comedian one day.
BeanMusical
Oct 2015
#113
Hillary owes no one anything but the American people: Your rhetoric is over the top and Silly
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#304
IIRC, the media flap from that haircut story prompted Bunny Mellon to call his campaign
merrily
Oct 2015
#224
Oy Vey! Yes. They like her hair, her pantsuits, her female bits, her laugh, her smile -
in_cog_ni_to
Oct 2015
#23
"I wish they'd just come out and then do the right thing" Me too, senz, me too.
in_cog_ni_to
Oct 2015
#91
Even the most ignorant GOP voter can recognize the truth when it is presented to them. The problem
Vincardog
Oct 2015
#177
Doing a pretty good job of trying to make mincemeat out of Hillary, I'd say.
SammyWinstonJack
Oct 2015
#247
Well, as a bald American, I like Bernie's hair style. Can you imagine him with a hip..
aidbo
Oct 2015
#27
Hillary's $600 Haircut Shuts Down Elite Bergdorf Goodman Salon In New York City
Divernan
Oct 2015
#148
They have. 'Congress doesn't control Corporations, Corporations Control Congress'. Now we have a
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#15
*Only if we vote for dems that aren't wholly owned subsidiaries of multinational corporations. eom
leftupnorth
Oct 2015
#25
That tired silliness is not impressing anyone over 8 years old. Give it a rest already.
merrily
Oct 2015
#264
Hillary has been in leadership of Dem for almost 30 years: The GOP Hate's Hillary!
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#76
She stands for the Dem's: She gains nothing personally: She has enough money herself!
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#154
Hillary and Bill were in debt when they left the White House: You are the one implying things!
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#294
The scary part is she doesn't need to be bought she is in line ideologically and in world view.
TheKentuckian
Oct 2015
#302
If think Hillary a person is the same thing as a company: Then Hillary should have joined GOP
lewebley3
Oct 2015
#296
I understand. I wouldn't have known how to put together such a graphic at all. (n/t)
Jim Lane
Oct 2015
#221
Well, Manny, your post was alerted upon, and here are the results: (I was Juror #5.)
CaliforniaPeggy
Oct 2015
#20
so she's not even in the realm of consideration? and you question anyone who even thinks so?
unblock
Oct 2015
#29
Wall Street wants her. DoD contractors want her. NSA wants her. She trades favors for donations to
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#44
Holding politicians responsible for leading us in to illegal wars is being 'holier than thou'?
Live and Learn
Oct 2015
#102
The Zeal To Elect A Female President Has Overshadowed The Good Judgement Of Many
cantbeserious
Oct 2015
#52
I want to elect a female president. I just want that female to be Elizabeth Warren.
reformist2
Oct 2015
#53
Well I cannot understand how someone can consider an old, New England socialist
Persondem
Oct 2015
#68
I just had someone tell me I only care about war-slaughtered children in order to hurt Clinton.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#82
Wow, have they have lost there collective minds? All of a sudden the war is okay with many here.
Live and Learn
Oct 2015
#110
"...vote against a 6-3 or 7-2 Scalia/Thomas/Alito-centric SCOTUS for next 30 years."
Hortensis
Oct 2015
#138
Why don't you spend more time helping your candidate and less time insulting others.
RandySF
Oct 2015
#85
Funny, because the VA health system imploded while Sanders was chair of SVAC.
NuclearDem
Oct 2015
#144
Because his ideas are sound, is why. Party labels are nearly meaningless. n/t
CaliforniaPeggy
Oct 2015
#107
I see---the 18 MILLION Democrats who voted for her in 2008 were "thoughtless"
brooklynite
Oct 2015
#142
But she'll be DIFFERENT from Obama because she's not a Black Man. For some, that's all it takes.
arcane1
Oct 2015
#152
because we all know there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush
greenman3610
Oct 2015
#175
Yes, she enthusiastically participated in the world's worst crime this century.
cpwm17
Oct 2015
#176
Because she will beat Bernie and any republican who they put up against her
FloridaBlues
Oct 2015
#179
More Americans support Clinton by comparison to Sanders according to National polls.
c588415
Oct 2015
#185
Dude, you're the one reproaching others per a litmus test for the Presidency. (Again.)
OilemFirchen
Oct 2015
#220
It's delusional to think Hillary has US on the top of her Agenda, History .
orpupilofnature57
Oct 2015
#202
No, this is about the primaries as the ( Forum ) indicates, and the question posed was valid, so far
orpupilofnature57
Oct 2015
#206
It's a challenge to answer a simple question, absurd reasoning, " He Can't win " " the polls say "
orpupilofnature57
Oct 2015
#320
Still no answer, debate , rebuttal or " Intellectual discussion " just more insults and accusations .
orpupilofnature57
Oct 2015
#322
just because she signed off on killing a million Iraqis & pursued foreign policy that laid waste to
yurbud
Oct 2015
#214
If Hillary Wins The Primaries, How Could A Thoughtful Person NOT Vote For Her?
Vogon_Glory
Oct 2015
#222
She who claimed she "dodged sniper fire" at an airport, who said "we came, we saw, he died"?
peacebird
Oct 2015
#252
Forgot about the dodging sniper fire lie. Collectively, these things will do her in as nominee
EndElectoral
Oct 2015
#256
A thoughtful person will consider Hillary Clinton 100 times better than Trump or
UCmeNdc
Oct 2015
#255
For every thoughtful person, there are ten impacted by feeling, and feeling is easily manipulated.
EndElectoral
Oct 2015
#257