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bvar22

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44. Mandating that every American BUY a product from a FOR PROFIT corporation that:
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:24 PM
Oct 2015

*Manufactures NOTHING

*Provides no useful service

*Keeps NO inventory

....is NOT what I call "Progressive".
It is a straight REPUBLICAN (conservative business friendly) plan.

Now, if the ACA had included a national Public Option,
owned by The People and available to everyone,
then it might qualify.

If you remember during the 2008 debates, Obama insisted that any plan must include a Public Option,
because THAT will keep the Insurance Industry accountable.
He publicly ridiculed Hillary's plan for Mandates.

The new regs are applaudable...IF they are enforced.
As far as I know, no Watch Dog Agency with teeth has been created to enforce these regulations. There is also no national complaint agency to monitor the quality of the services. The consumer is STILL on his own to file a lawsuit and take the Insurance Monster to State Court, which can last YEARS and cost the consumer much money trying to fight these vultures.


The Public Option must be a National program, because no state has a risk pool great enough to spread the risk and make it competitive with the For Profits.
Any individual state that tries to compete with the Major For Profits will never be able to cover their relatively few customers at a competitive price. However, a National Public Option would have enough weight to make some demands in pricing, and actually save the consumer money.
The ACA stipulates that the individual state run Public Option MUST make a profit from year 1.


I wonder if Hillary has realized that Obama passed HER (and Romney's, and the Heritage Foundation) Health Care program after ridiculing her for her proposal during the debates.

In order to make the ACA "progressive", the National Public Option is a necessity.
Without it, it is just another business friendly plan to transfer wealth to the Corporate owners & investors.

No, not radical. America has forgotten. mmonk Oct 2015 #1
We need to remind them. Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #8
Agreed. I try my best everyday. mmonk Oct 2015 #20
Plus one to the absolute Max! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #23
The only way Sanders can be painted as a fringe candidate is to ignore history. We must not let that Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #29
What is socialism? HassleCat Oct 2015 #2
Socialism is governmental regulation of the marketplace, and the use of collective assets to create Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #4
Yes! K&R whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #3
Today Sanders goals are considered either utopian or "communistic" Armstead Oct 2015 #5
Ike was considered suspect by the John Birch Society. mmonk Oct 2015 #7
Yes, they called Ike a communist. n/t NCarolinawoman Oct 2015 #25
If you compare Sanders' platform to the New Deal, the Great Society, Ike's public interstate highway Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #11
LBJ in domestic policy was even more progressive than FDR WI_DEM Oct 2015 #6
So Obama who passed non-single payer is above Truman jeff47 Oct 2015 #10
No because the ACA is one of the most progressive bills ever passed WI_DEM Oct 2015 #30
I'm asking for your reasons, not being rude. jeff47 Oct 2015 #31
In fairness, ACA significantly reduced the number of uninsured and greatly improved access to health Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #32
Mandating that every American BUY a product from a FOR PROFIT corporation that: bvar22 Oct 2015 #44
Great post. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #9
The "ist" I admire is "pragmatist." Demoiselle Oct 2015 #12
Fantastic post! cui bono Oct 2015 #13
I just call him an FDR-Democrat. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #14
That's a good idea! cui bono Oct 2015 #15
It is tough to rank these guys. bvar22 Oct 2015 #16
LBJ's foreign policy nightmare has drawn attention from his unprecedented domestic policy triumphs. Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #33
Agree totally. bvar22 Oct 2015 #45
FDR and LBJ are obviously top 2 jfern Oct 2015 #17
Truman was so busy with foreign policy that he didn't advance the ball much domestically. Many New Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #18
Well, he did veto Taft-Hartly jfern Oct 2015 #19
I think Hillary Clinton and Obama would have vetoed it (I hope). Bill Clinton, I'm not so sure about Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #21
Building on the foundation of FDR, bvar22 Oct 2015 #35
I didn't mean to imply that Truman did no good (he did plenty of good things). I was saying that he Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #36
Truman faced some tough opposition from Republicans who wanted to reduce th government. bvar22 Oct 2015 #46
Well put together, Attorney in Texas! Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #22
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #24
Excellent post. NCarolinawoman Oct 2015 #26
I had hopes Obama would have done some comparable game change on the environment but instead of Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #34
"Obama has bogged down in treaties and paperwork." bvar22 Oct 2015 #50
Worse than that, bvar22 Oct 2015 #55
this is mine MyNameGoesHere Oct 2015 #27
K & R. Thanks for the exemplary post. This history must be remembered. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #28
If we don't remind America, who will? Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #43
Somewhere Eugene Debs is crying. FSogol Oct 2015 #37
Eugene Debs has been crying for the past 45 years, and this is the first ray of hope he's seen since Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #38
K&R Go Vols Oct 2015 #39
K&R liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #40
Sanders is the only Socialist on the list. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #41
But he offers a more conservative platform than FDR, LBJ, JFK, Ike or Teddy Roosevelt. DLC has taken Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #42
No, he doesn't. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #48
Name three things that Sanders proposes that are more Socialist than what FDR or LBJ actually passed Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #62
Bernie is a "Democratic Socialist". bvar22 Oct 2015 #47
It has the same foundational viewpoint MohRokTah Oct 2015 #49
You made some fantstic (fantasy) claims in your post. bvar22 Oct 2015 #51
Sanders called himself Socialist. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #52
So a "label" or a "buzz word" is all you need for selecting your candidate? bvar22 Oct 2015 #53
I don't vote for Republicans, Libertarians, and Socialists. Period. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #54
Well that means you could not have voted for FDR, Truman, JFK, or LBJ. bvar22 Oct 2015 #56
All four were Democrats. Not one was a Socialist like Sanders. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #57
You carry conservative DLC water around here. bvar22 Oct 2015 #58
I carry reality here. The Socialists DESPISED FDR. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #59
That is BECAUSE FDR was a Democratic Socialist. bvar22 Oct 2015 #60
No, he wasn't MohRokTah Oct 2015 #61
Help clear this up. bvar22 Oct 2015 #63
FDR was neither. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #64
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