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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
4. Bernie is on the National stage and cannot afford to offend by doing things how he always did.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:33 PM
Oct 2015

Let's look at it this way, there was a time when calling blacks negroes was just a descriptor, peopke said it that way for decades. Then we had a movement. It was no longer acceptable. People were offended. Those that held onto their old way got left behind. We are in third wave feminism now and ghat is no longer acceptable if he does not want to offend women. We can decide if it rubbs us the wrong way. And vote accordingly. If he wants to pull some more women on top of what he has, he has to get them from hillary because joe is out.

I think Thom is wrong on this. bravenak Oct 2015 #1
Bernie has always been speaking about this in regards to the American People as a whole, just Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #2
Bernie is on the National stage and cannot afford to offend by doing things how he always did. bravenak Oct 2015 #4
So if some women thought it was sexist, then it was sexist? That can't be right. Vattel Oct 2015 #6
Possibly. Very hard for men to make that decision for us. bravenak Oct 2015 #8
You don't get to make that decision for US, either. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #28
It was to some. No one said all thought so. You were not included in the we. bravenak Oct 2015 #34
You should probably take some time and watch jkbRN Oct 2015 #58
I stated above that I do not care what he said before to whomever else or how he always say it. bravenak Oct 2015 #59
you are entitled to believe things without evidence if you choose. Vattel Oct 2015 #60
The evidence is what we are discussing. It exists. We are not imagining things. bravenak Oct 2015 #61
You believe it in spite of the evidence. Vattel Oct 2015 #62
Once I learned, I decided that he needs to watch how he presents himself. bravenak Oct 2015 #66
oh, so you agree that Clinton wrongly implied that he was being sexist. Vattel Oct 2015 #70
No. I am sure she also did not spend hours watching videos. bravenak Oct 2015 #71
Okay then you think she was just mistaken in thinking he was being sexist. Vattel Oct 2015 #72
No. I think she felt what she felt and addressed it accordingly. bravenak Oct 2015 #73
You can't have it both ways. Vattel Oct 2015 #74
It may not have been his intention to come off that way. bravenak Oct 2015 #75
Lots of sexism is unintentional. But there is no reason Vattel Oct 2015 #76
I think he lacks a bit of self awareness of his mannerisms when he gets into a subject that interest bravenak Oct 2015 #77
Sigh. You refuse to answer the question. Vattel Oct 2015 #78
That is because you want to put a concrete definition to something powered by perception. bravenak Oct 2015 #80
WE make that decision and from all over the country the consensus is, Hillary made a very big sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #89
Emily's list agrees that it looked like sexism. bravenak Oct 2015 #104
Does this mean using the words shouting, yelling or screaming are fine if speaking to a man Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #11
Are you posting a hearing where one woman WAS getting shouted at by Conservatives to prove a point? bravenak Oct 2015 #12
You didn't view the video, Paul was questioning our foreign policy using those words, he and Hillary Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #14
This is deflecting from the actual point of what we women felt at his words. bravenak Oct 2015 #15
I can understand not expecting anything from Republicans but why was Hillary complimentary of one? Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #20
Studied politeness and extremely good manners. I do that too. Women have to otherwise here come the bravenak Oct 2015 #23
I believe in politeness and good manners but if a message of tone and speaking softly from a Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #35
That was not a presidential debate. We expect more from presidential candidates. bravenak Oct 2015 #37
If it's better to watch your tone or speak softly with our enemies or adversaries on the world stage Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #47
I have no idea what this means or relates to. I feel like you are yelling at me. bravenak Oct 2015 #50
I'm not. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #51
Ok. bravenak Oct 2015 #52
Not all women. I understood completely that this was about jwirr Oct 2015 #26
I did not say all women. But many felt the same as I. He can prevent future drama by knowing this. bravenak Oct 2015 #31
Yes. Thank you. 840high Oct 2015 #64
Not "we" women. "YOU," period. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #30
Many. You do not know most women. bravenak Oct 2015 #33
Neither do you. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #36
I did not say, "all we women' just we women. We. The ones who were offended. That we. Not you. bravenak Oct 2015 #39
Hate to tell you - neither do you. 840high Oct 2015 #65
I know quite a few. bravenak Oct 2015 #67
You are mansplaining this leftofcool Oct 2015 #21
Not "we" women. "YOU," period. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #32
A man or woman can view anything the way they want, the same holds true for Presidential candidates. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #53
Actually no. You can't own words. And if u cry sexism at every corner nobody is gonna wanna... Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #69
Mansplain again Kalidurga Oct 2015 #88
Maybe you don't understand, jkbRN Oct 2015 #54
I do understand perfectly because I reacted the same as I watched it. I laughed. bravenak Oct 2015 #56
The problem with your reasoning jkbRN Oct 2015 #3
I felt exactly what she felt and do not care who else he does it to bravenak Oct 2015 #5
Is there a post you can reference from the night of the debate.. frylock Oct 2015 #13
Where did I say he was being sexist? bravenak Oct 2015 #16
The entire crux of this "shouting" argument is that it was sexist or mysoginistic.. frylock Oct 2015 #19
And my point was to watch it in the future and know that men don't always notice. bravenak Oct 2015 #25
I'm not a man and it meant NOTHING to me. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #40
Well. Many of us others were offened. It is our right to decide what WE think. bravenak Oct 2015 #41
Then if you could please share the post from the night of the debate.. frylock Oct 2015 #55
I was on suspension. bravenak Oct 2015 #57
This is pure distribution of talking points and hammering angle shit here. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #86
You're spot on. Many of us were here the night of the debate.. frylock Oct 2015 #96
The real point was to undo the positive email thing kenfrequed Oct 2015 #98
She went negative because it's her nature. frylock Oct 2015 #99
It is more than that. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #100
As far as I can tell the outraged were so pissed it took more than a week for them to realize it. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #105
This debate with this person is not worth having Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #7
Amazing. bravenak Oct 2015 #9
Wow! leftofcool Oct 2015 #17
Ummm hmm. Yep. Constantly this kinda thing. bravenak Oct 2015 #18
No. Not consistantly. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #42
I said constantly not consistantly. bravenak Oct 2015 #43
My point still stands. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #45
Not really. bravenak Oct 2015 #49
No woman felt offended. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #24
You are not omniscient. You cannot know what other women think. bravenak Oct 2015 #29
Neither can you. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #44
You said 'no woman felt offended' bravenak Oct 2015 #46
Don't engage in this debate. Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #81
I know many women who came to this conclusion. 840high Oct 2015 #68
Notice how often he blinks? I think he is winking at me through my computer screen. I can't vote GoneFishin Oct 2015 #10
Thom Hartmann mansplains to Hillary leftofcool Oct 2015 #22
OK... can I womansplain to her? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #27
Yes. Thank you Fawke Em. senz Oct 2015 #84
Wow! I am not surprised you said that. leftofcool Oct 2015 #91
Thom Hartmann is a finer human being on every level senz Oct 2015 #83
Let me guess: BUY GOLD THE ECONOMY IS CRASHING rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #38
Meh. I'm leaving this thread. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #48
Obviously you are right, but if people are willfully blind, there is nothing you can do. Vattel Oct 2015 #63
Great effort, Fawke! frylock Oct 2015 #97
Look at the link to a video (which I provide below). He made an amateur blunder... BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #102
I've also heard Bernie Sanders say Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #79
Thanks for this video, jkbRN. Thom's absolutely right. senz Oct 2015 #82
Speaking as a woman, Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #85
I am a man and a Hillary supporter anamnua Oct 2015 #87
Sexism isn't an issue? Ok Tom. boston bean Oct 2015 #90
Sexism is an issue, so is fairness, equality and decent treatement of all people. When straight Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #92
Is this you going back on what you said yesterday? boston bean Oct 2015 #93
Was Hillary LGBT when she trash talked us? Was Obama? No, but they did it anyway. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #94
Wow. I'm not your enemy but continue on. boston bean Oct 2015 #95
I don't trust a word out of that man's mouth. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #101
I could never be as enthused about INdemo Oct 2015 #103
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