2016 Postmortem

Uncle Joe

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51. I'm not.

Reply to bravenak (Reply #50)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:44 PM

Oct 2015

Peace to you, bravenak.

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Thom Hartmann has advice for the Hillary Clinton Campaign [View all] jkbRN Oct 2015 OP

I think Thom is wrong on this. bravenak Oct 2015 #1

Bernie has always been speaking about this in regards to the American People as a whole, just Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #2

Bernie is on the National stage and cannot afford to offend by doing things how he always did. bravenak Oct 2015 #4

So if some women thought it was sexist, then it was sexist? That can't be right. Vattel Oct 2015 #6

Possibly. Very hard for men to make that decision for us. bravenak Oct 2015 #8

You don't get to make that decision for US, either. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #28

It was to some. No one said all thought so. You were not included in the we. bravenak Oct 2015 #34

You should probably take some time and watch jkbRN Oct 2015 #58

I stated above that I do not care what he said before to whomever else or how he always say it. bravenak Oct 2015 #59

you are entitled to believe things without evidence if you choose. Vattel Oct 2015 #60

The evidence is what we are discussing. It exists. We are not imagining things. bravenak Oct 2015 #61

You believe it in spite of the evidence. Vattel Oct 2015 #62

Once I learned, I decided that he needs to watch how he presents himself. bravenak Oct 2015 #66

oh, so you agree that Clinton wrongly implied that he was being sexist. Vattel Oct 2015 #70

No. I am sure she also did not spend hours watching videos. bravenak Oct 2015 #71

Okay then you think she was just mistaken in thinking he was being sexist. Vattel Oct 2015 #72

No. I think she felt what she felt and addressed it accordingly. bravenak Oct 2015 #73

You can't have it both ways. Vattel Oct 2015 #74

It may not have been his intention to come off that way. bravenak Oct 2015 #75

Lots of sexism is unintentional. But there is no reason Vattel Oct 2015 #76

I think he lacks a bit of self awareness of his mannerisms when he gets into a subject that interest bravenak Oct 2015 #77

Sigh. You refuse to answer the question. Vattel Oct 2015 #78

That is because you want to put a concrete definition to something powered by perception. bravenak Oct 2015 #80

WE make that decision and from all over the country the consensus is, Hillary made a very big sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #89

Emily's list agrees that it looked like sexism. bravenak Oct 2015 #104

Does this mean using the words shouting, yelling or screaming are fine if speaking to a man Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #11

Are you posting a hearing where one woman WAS getting shouted at by Conservatives to prove a point? bravenak Oct 2015 #12

You didn't view the video, Paul was questioning our foreign policy using those words, he and Hillary Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #14

This is deflecting from the actual point of what we women felt at his words. bravenak Oct 2015 #15

I can understand not expecting anything from Republicans but why was Hillary complimentary of one? Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #20

Studied politeness and extremely good manners. I do that too. Women have to otherwise here come the bravenak Oct 2015 #23

I believe in politeness and good manners but if a message of tone and speaking softly from a Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #35

That was not a presidential debate. We expect more from presidential candidates. bravenak Oct 2015 #37

If it's better to watch your tone or speak softly with our enemies or adversaries on the world stage Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #47

I have no idea what this means or relates to. I feel like you are yelling at me. bravenak Oct 2015 #50

I'm not. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #51

Ok. bravenak Oct 2015 #52

Not all women. I understood completely that this was about jwirr Oct 2015 #26

I did not say all women. But many felt the same as I. He can prevent future drama by knowing this. bravenak Oct 2015 #31

Yes. Thank you. 840high Oct 2015 #64

Not "we" women. "YOU," period. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #30

Many. You do not know most women. bravenak Oct 2015 #33

Neither do you. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #36

I did not say, "all we women' just we women. We. The ones who were offended. That we. Not you. bravenak Oct 2015 #39

Hate to tell you - neither do you. 840high Oct 2015 #65

I know quite a few. bravenak Oct 2015 #67

You are mansplaining this leftofcool Oct 2015 #21

Not "we" women. "YOU," period. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #32

A man or woman can view anything the way they want, the same holds true for Presidential candidates. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #53

Actually no. You can't own words. And if u cry sexism at every corner nobody is gonna wanna... Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #69

Mansplain again Kalidurga Oct 2015 #88

Maybe you don't understand, jkbRN Oct 2015 #54

I do understand perfectly because I reacted the same as I watched it. I laughed. bravenak Oct 2015 #56

The problem with your reasoning jkbRN Oct 2015 #3

I felt exactly what she felt and do not care who else he does it to bravenak Oct 2015 #5

Is there a post you can reference from the night of the debate.. frylock Oct 2015 #13

Where did I say he was being sexist? bravenak Oct 2015 #16

The entire crux of this "shouting" argument is that it was sexist or mysoginistic.. frylock Oct 2015 #19

And my point was to watch it in the future and know that men don't always notice. bravenak Oct 2015 #25

I'm not a man and it meant NOTHING to me. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #40

Well. Many of us others were offened. It is our right to decide what WE think. bravenak Oct 2015 #41

Then if you could please share the post from the night of the debate.. frylock Oct 2015 #55

I was on suspension. bravenak Oct 2015 #57

This is pure distribution of talking points and hammering angle shit here. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #86

You're spot on. Many of us were here the night of the debate.. frylock Oct 2015 #96

The real point was to undo the positive email thing kenfrequed Oct 2015 #98

She went negative because it's her nature. frylock Oct 2015 #99

It is more than that. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #100

As far as I can tell the outraged were so pissed it took more than a week for them to realize it. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #105

This debate with this person is not worth having Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #7

Amazing. bravenak Oct 2015 #9

Wow! leftofcool Oct 2015 #17

Ummm hmm. Yep. Constantly this kinda thing. bravenak Oct 2015 #18

No. Not consistantly. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #42

I said constantly not consistantly. bravenak Oct 2015 #43

My point still stands. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #45

Not really. bravenak Oct 2015 #49

No woman felt offended. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #24

You are not omniscient. You cannot know what other women think. bravenak Oct 2015 #29

Neither can you. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #44

You said 'no woman felt offended' bravenak Oct 2015 #46

Don't engage in this debate. Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #81

I know many women who came to this conclusion. 840high Oct 2015 #68

Notice how often he blinks? I think he is winking at me through my computer screen. I can't vote GoneFishin Oct 2015 #10

Thom Hartmann mansplains to Hillary leftofcool Oct 2015 #22

OK... can I womansplain to her? Fawke Em Oct 2015 #27

Yes. Thank you Fawke Em. senz Oct 2015 #84

Wow! I am not surprised you said that. leftofcool Oct 2015 #91

Thom Hartmann is a finer human being on every level senz Oct 2015 #83

Let me guess: BUY GOLD THE ECONOMY IS CRASHING rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #38

Meh. I'm leaving this thread. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #48

Obviously you are right, but if people are willfully blind, there is nothing you can do. Vattel Oct 2015 #63

Great effort, Fawke! frylock Oct 2015 #97

Look at the link to a video (which I provide below). He made an amateur blunder... BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #102

I've also heard Bernie Sanders say Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #79

Thanks for this video, jkbRN. Thom's absolutely right. senz Oct 2015 #82

Speaking as a woman, Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #85

I am a man and a Hillary supporter anamnua Oct 2015 #87

Sexism isn't an issue? Ok Tom. boston bean Oct 2015 #90

Sexism is an issue, so is fairness, equality and decent treatement of all people. When straight Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #92

Is this you going back on what you said yesterday? boston bean Oct 2015 #93

Was Hillary LGBT when she trash talked us? Was Obama? No, but they did it anyway. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #94

Wow. I'm not your enemy but continue on. boston bean Oct 2015 #95

I don't trust a word out of that man's mouth. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #101

I could never be as enthused about INdemo Oct 2015 #103