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secondwind

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83. Except when it came to the Iraq. War. Except for her approval of the TPP until it was no longer in
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:24 PM
Nov 2015

her best interests.

Don't get me wrong, please.. If Bernie is not accepted, and Hillary wins the primary, I WILL vote for her. But she cannot call herself a moderate.. her record says otherwise

He only did it ....when it became expedient. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #1
Expedient perfect!!! That describes UglyGreed Nov 2015 #2
really? Nope...always WAS to the left VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #4
Hillary Wants to Help Families at the Bottom. So Will She Change Her Mind About Welfare Reform UglyGreed Nov 2015 #8
Her record says otherwise... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #14
and VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #16
and Hillary Clinton on Social Security VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #17
Great post, lots of good information, thanks for posting. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #37
You are welcome VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #40
Yes when they don't have anything to offer just make shit up, works for FOX. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #170
Hillary's a social liberal. On foreign policy and Wall Street she's a conservative.... raindaddy Nov 2015 #137
No...again...read the record VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #141
I gave a number of examples.. Again, can you name one "liberal" in the history of the party raindaddy Nov 2015 #148
Barack Obama. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #231
Barack Obama's not a liberal and I don't believe he made over three million $$ in one year... raindaddy Nov 2015 #232
I second that, great post! PosterChild Nov 2015 #143
You are welcome! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #144
The link is dead. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #12
not dead VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #21
But Govtrack has her about in the same place. In fact the same place as Teddy Kennedy. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #15
No it doesn't actually...Ted Kennedy VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #19
. Dragonfli Nov 2015 #26
That graphic UglyGreed Nov 2015 #35
I think even VR knows that, but I guess ya can't blame a person for trying Dragonfli Nov 2015 #50
You guys are hilarious, posting a chart with everyone in one corner ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2015 #60
+10 !! .... and the idea that .... PosterChild Nov 2015 #145
That non-American methodology for arriving at a point on a graph is based on a test that none of the MADem Nov 2015 #88
The opposite actually, what is worthless is allowing someone to control the methodology Dragonfli Nov 2015 #146
You do realize that ON THE ISSUES does this very thing? With better input, that they display for MADem Nov 2015 #154
Believe what you will, I pointed out the methodologies that you ignore Dragonfli Nov 2015 #166
I feel you. blackspade Nov 2015 #181
OOppssie... pangaia Nov 2015 #94
I wonder where Sanders would be in this graph, which seems more accurate to me than the other. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #136
"why is wanting to help other people an extreme political position?" Dragonfli Nov 2015 #169
Here is what I get on GovTrack.us LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #28
Do YOU have all of the data that builds that? Because I CAN show it for mine... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #31
That is what I said. I never said she was. Her score is right with Teddy Kennedy. So however anyone LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #38
Okay...I thought you were supporting the meme that she is a Neocon as some here propose.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #42
your link is 404 tk2kewl Nov 2015 #20
not any more... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #22
your welcome tk2kewl Nov 2015 #23
Thanks...I accidentally clipped the doc type. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #24
Our party is open to anyone. If anyone has a problem with that they need to roguevalley Nov 2015 #73
looks like you replied to the wrong post tk2kewl Nov 2015 #79
He IS now....he wasn't for 40 yrs of elected office... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #85
He voted with the Democrats most of the time. eom Duval Nov 2015 #107
Here is HIS quote..."I am a Democrat now" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #112
The NOW part was my key word. bravenak Nov 2015 #120
Yep....meaning to all who read it...he WASN'T one before....just as I ALWAYS contended on DU VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #128
I see no one admitting that you were right. Normal. bravenak Nov 2015 #132
Yeah he has to really work on that party comity VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #135
Really. What a STUPID lie. bravenak Nov 2015 #140
. Dragonfli Nov 2015 #25
And I am not even buying that at all. Maybe for the votes taking place in 2001 but not today. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #47
That was based on her record up till 2008 Dragonfli Nov 2015 #52
That period of time was a very bad time. You damned if you voted in any direction. The majority LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #54
That graph took the war vote as only one point. Dragonfli Nov 2015 #164
And as everyone could guess without even looking. I am not even going to say who this is. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #32
Exactly....you cannot accept THAT and then say HRC's is false. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #33
I never said that HRC chart is false. I said I agreed with you. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #43
I understand now..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #44
Can't live without the fly distraction. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #49
I can.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #86
I am still wondering what Malaise is feeding his fly? LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #93
Made up chart is made up..... blackspade Nov 2015 #64
Its NOT made up...Nate Silver quotes OnTheIssues.org VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #87
Am I the only one who wonders if the Famous Nate doesn't have an agenda? erronis Nov 2015 #142
Sure a statistician would if he had an agenda that he is pushing. blackspade Nov 2015 #183
Except when it came to the Iraq. War. Except for her approval of the TPP until it was no longer in secondwind Nov 2015 #83
No...wrong...her record DOES show it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #89
In that debate didn't she even have the gall to call herself a progressive? pangaia Nov 2015 #99
she IS one... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #113
And AGAIN... pangaia Nov 2015 #159
Yes again....please show your insightful refutation of the evidence it represents... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #160
Oh, that sign again... pangaia Nov 2015 #92
Hillary has sudden move left: she has always been a lib lewebley3 Nov 2015 #127
I guess that is why Bernie voted with the Republicans all the time as he wasn't really a Democrat? LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #3
Or before he CALLED himself a Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #5
Since both are "hard core liberal", guess this means either Hillary is not a republican as said Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #46
who ever said Sanders is a Republican...even I would attack that ridiculous statement VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #48
No, Clinton is call a republican more than once, if Clinton is a republican then Sanders is also. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #51
Has Clinton CALLED herself a hardcore liberal? blackspade Nov 2015 #184
Irrelevent....Hardcore Liberal is not a Party.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #186
So, she's not a hardcore liberal then. blackspade Nov 2015 #207
No she is....its not about MY logic VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #208
Well, keep pimping the M$M meme then. blackspade Nov 2015 #233
so telling the truth is "pimping" now? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #234
Your post reeks of desperation. blackspade Nov 2015 #235
WTF am I desperate for? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #236
Desperate to keep this bullshit meme going. blackspade Nov 2015 #238
HOW is it bullshit....its HIS words.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #239
You didn't answer my questions. blackspade Nov 2015 #240
What question? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #241
Go back one post...there were two. blackspade Nov 2015 #242
You asked a question that was invalid... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #243
Wow, you're all over the place on this one. blackspade Nov 2015 #246
yeah...you just came all the way back...JUST to say that... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #247
My impressiveness is lost on many. blackspade Nov 2015 #249
I knew you were just fishing for some more smart conversation with a lady! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #250
LOL! Well played. blackspade Nov 2015 #252
Didn't take long for the pissing match to start tishaLA Nov 2015 #7
It never does. I generally favor the most liberal who is usually the underdog in the races. If LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #11
shows her Progressive side? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #36
well all have our opinions...I wonder who bought her opinion? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #45
The very soul of generosity... daleanime Nov 2015 #55
This bullshit again? blackspade Nov 2015 #62
Did Sanders join the Democratic Party? When? I must have missed it ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #77
When he signed the dotted line in New Hampshire that REQUIRES you BE a Democrat to be on the ballot VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #90
Sorry ... that doesn't wash ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #117
doesn't wash? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #118
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #122
With all due respect, and nothing personal... pangaia Nov 2015 #91
Care to prove it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #101
You go first. pangaia Nov 2015 #105
Okay VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #106
You keep copying and posting. pangaia Nov 2015 #110
its called SUPPORTING EVIDENCE VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #114
Term papers... in high school? pangaia Nov 2015 #121
Yes...that is where I learned that you cannot just spout opinions....you have to show evidence.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #123
You didn't support your accusation that Bernie Sanders became a democrat when it became expedient. pangaia Nov 2015 #155
He only did it so Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #102
He only did it because his campaign was doomed otherwise....it was done...toast VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #109
Clintonites would prefer Bernie had run as a Democratic Socialist, so we'd have a President Trump. in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #129
My preference, as a clintonite.... PosterChild Nov 2015 #149
What is wrong with being a socialist? blackspade Nov 2015 #185
Two things.... PosterChild Nov 2015 #187
Wrong on both counts. blackspade Nov 2015 #206
Please take a look at the... PosterChild Nov 2015 #244
I was addressing your erroneous conclusions about socialism. blackspade Nov 2015 #248
My conclusions about socialism.... PosterChild Nov 2015 #253
Where are you getting this from? blackspade Nov 2015 #254
Well, let's ask those Nordic "socialists" about that... PosterChild Nov 2015 #256
Socialism is not about a government planned economy. blackspade Nov 2015 #257
Socialism isn't a planned economy? LOL! PosterChild Nov 2015 #258
You do understand that socialism has several forms correct? blackspade Nov 2015 #259
If you are asking what my beef is against ... PosterChild Nov 2015 #260
And this is the issue about socialism. blackspade Nov 2015 #261
And yet... PosterChild Nov 2015 #262
Who are "they"? blackspade Nov 2015 #263
I think that the center right guy.... PosterChild Nov 2015 #264
A couple of issues here. blackspade Nov 2015 #265
How is Denmark not a market-based socialist country? PosterChild Nov 2015 #266
I'm not talking about state based ownership. blackspade Nov 2015 #267
You tell me that Denmark ..... PosterChild Nov 2015 #268
Richard Wolff says.... PosterChild Nov 2015 #269
Continue reading. blackspade Nov 2015 #270
I may sometime.. PosterChild Nov 2015 #271
Agreed: Sanders is not a Dem lewebley3 Nov 2015 #125
He is now....he wasn't before... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #130
He only became Dem when he wanted to run for office: Not true Dem lewebley3 Nov 2015 #131
Why don't you message his campaign that he really ought to run as an independent in the GE? n/t eridani Nov 2015 #189
I am a Hillary supporter: I am not interested in Sanders lewebley3 Nov 2015 #222
Who gives a shit? He can call himself a member of the Sons of the Desert for all I care Armstead Nov 2015 #180
He is twice the Democrat that Clinton is. Democrats are progressive. Conservatives that rhett o rick Nov 2015 #182
Obviously, pulling a Nader would be even more expedient n/t eridani Nov 2015 #188
Yes. He said he wouldn't before bc it would make him a "hypocrite". BS's own words. Cha Nov 2015 #190
Dayum! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #194
Those who criticize Nader (or Bernie) as spoilers should advocate Instant Runoff Voting.... cascadiance Nov 2015 #6
Nope. I'm more than willing to dump Bernie to keep the kook GOP divided ConservativeDemocrat Nov 2015 #61
So evidently you LIKE the corporate interests buying BOTH of our two major parties... cascadiance Nov 2015 #63
Apparently his reality is a very tiny bubble Dodo Nov 2015 #72
I disagree with Walsh on this one. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #9
Screw Joan Walsh ibegurpard Nov 2015 #10
Let's try and accept a kind word once in a while? JackInGreen Nov 2015 #27
We can accept this while being cognizant of the other. merrily Nov 2015 #30
Fair enough JackInGreen Nov 2015 #34
Too true.... daleanime Nov 2015 #57
kind words from someone who worked to undermine him ibegurpard Nov 2015 #39
Did she say "Can't" or "Doesn't"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #80
poisoning the well ibegurpard Nov 2015 #84
Yes ... I've heard of the concept ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #119
I don't know Jharr827 Nov 2015 #13
"If Bernie Sanders wanted to hurt the Democratic Party..." demwing Nov 2015 #18
Actually it was Bernie's only viable choice. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #150
that's one opinion demwing Nov 2015 #151
He'd hurt himself worse. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #191
Duh? Don't attack anyone for not running as a spoiler. Or, if you do, at least be consistent and merrily Nov 2015 #29
SOME Democrats* please stop.......I would agree and say. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #41
Look at the Hillary sheep floriduck Nov 2015 #53
You mean she really doesn't want to be my champion? FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #56
sheep.lol saturnsring Nov 2015 #156
What happeed to the "Big Tent" in the Dem Party? fredamae Nov 2015 #58
That's so pre-Third Way! The open arms only goes one way. nt valerief Nov 2015 #65
So now the definition of Third-way....is anything YOU disagree with! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #103
when the corporate conservadems took over ibegurpard Nov 2015 #67
When it became the Corporate Umbrella demwing Nov 2015 #152
I think that only applies to moderate former Republicans. frylock Nov 2015 #163
Attacking Bernie on this is not a wise move. jalan48 Nov 2015 #59
Ralph Nader failed miserably... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #66
No threat-it's just when a party gets too out of touch with the people someone new steps up. jalan48 Nov 2015 #68
Apparently since MOST Democrats support Clinton not Sanders.....she is not the one "out of touch" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #69
The meme is about Bernie being accepted as a Democrat. jalan48 Nov 2015 #74
No ...I am responding to YOUR meme above... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #75
LOL jalan48 Nov 2015 #76
Move to strike ... Non-responsive! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #81
On what the party has become, maybe. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #179
if they can't keep any dissenting murmur out of the party, they'll at least rope it off MisterP Nov 2015 #70
Only right wing Dems are obsessed with it AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #71
Rightwing Democrats like this? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #95
No, right wing Dems AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #97
So you agree....someone supporting Clinton is not a Rightwing Dem? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #98
Thank you, Joan. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #78
The Democratic Party INVITED him to join the fray--and they did so for a clear reason. MADem Nov 2015 #82
He JOINED... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #96
Indeedy...and he was escorted into his NH filing by DNC members who made sure it was clear that MADem Nov 2015 #111
EXACTLY.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #116
I think he's having less agita than some of his followers, frankly. MADem Nov 2015 #138
You are sooooo right! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #161
Hey, tishaLA, this couldn't be posted enough, so Duval Nov 2015 #100
But attacking the Democrats is AOK! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #104
All you do is attack Democratic posters here, Democratic candidates you don't like, all with a Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #165
Did Sanders actually join the Party? Or just the party (small p)? DFW Nov 2015 #108
there is this VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #115
I've seen that before, but that's too on-the-fence for me DFW Nov 2015 #124
So you think he should be disqualified from being on that ticket.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #126
I think each state party has the right to its own rules on that score DFW Nov 2015 #134
Again....he said he is.....in PUBLIC. He signed that dotted line in New Hampshire too... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #139
I wonder if he switched his registration in Vermont as well DFW Nov 2015 #153
there IS no registration in Vermont.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #157
Now I get it DFW Nov 2015 #162
I'm Glad Bernie has Evolved and Become a Democrat! Gamecock Lefty Nov 2015 #133
LOL!!!! First reply was attacking him for joining the party! Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #147
After 40 yrs of disparaging them and proudly declaring "you are NOT a Democrat" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #158
You're a riot.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #167
I am a Yellow Dog Democrat? You? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #171
Was that your best guess? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #177
Why are you "feeling that sting" too? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #195
I hear younger people all the time saying they hope he wins.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #226
He's gotten the good ones. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #176
He has????? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #196
I'd rather get chairs of the progressive caucus. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #224
all ONE of them? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #225
This is an anti-establishment election and she is the choice of the establishment. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #227
Not according to 45 members of the Democratic Progressive Caucus including John Lewis VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #228
You still don't get it. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #229
No apparently it is YOU that does not get it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #230
All you have to do it beat down all who oppose you. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #237
Nobody seemed to hate him very much when he was our tiebreaking vote in the senate. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #272
K&R CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #168
my customised DU account olddots Nov 2015 #172
You are wise, olddots. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #173
I may have to join you. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #174
A positive thread! K & freaking R! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #175
Looks like the establishment is beginning to worry where the Bernie voters Fawke Em Nov 2015 #178
He's being attacked for holding up the inevitability train. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #192
That train is heading down the tracks.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #193
Am i supposed to sputter incoherently, now, or what? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #197
It was your analogy not mine... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #198
Saying that "inevitability" is a lame thing to run on, doesn't mean she doesnt have good odds of Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #199
I didnot say that word....YOU did VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #200
I didsay whatword? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #202
The "e" word VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #205
.... Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #209
Thats another one...but not the one YOU used... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #213
yeah, "eeenevitable", right? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #215
YOUR non-sequitur....you brought it up! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #217
derp derp derp Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #218
EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #220
that starts with a "U", doesn't it? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #221
No...that would be Y! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #223
He said once VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #201
Okay Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #203
He owes YOU the apology not me.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #204
meaning what, precisely? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #210
Did he not say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #211
are you suggesting I'm not actually a Democrat? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #212
How would I know...other than the fact that you DID support a Non-Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #214
Well way to fucking go. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #216
I know...thanks...I have lost a few pounds... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #219
I want to know when someone's gonna show up to tell me I 'got my ass handed to me' Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #245
I am happy to welcome Bernie Sanders to the Democratic Party! 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #251
We should THANK Bernie Sanders for stitching together the broken fabric of our party... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #255
one more person who will... wyldwolf Nov 2015 #273
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