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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
335. Why do you assume African Americans are more ignorant than white voters?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 03:28 AM
Nov 2015

Because that's the assumption when you blame this on name recognition.

Outside of a handful of New England and mid-atlantic states, Sanders is not well known nationally, among any racial group. But for some reason he polls much better among whites than among African Americans and Latino Americans.

Question. Why is Hillary doing so much better than Bernie? Dawgs Nov 2015 #1
She is doing so much better because she has built long term relationships. bravenak Nov 2015 #5
She is doing so much better because AlbertCat Nov 2015 #44
That was not al all condescending. bravenak Nov 2015 #53
That was not al all condescending. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #122
You really should have BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #100
Whoops. :) Hortensis Nov 2015 #116
I have no distain or condescension toward black voters. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #128
I mostly wanted to use that cartoon, Albert. Our Jack Hortensis Nov 2015 #149
Right into the abyss indeed ... ! AlbertCat Nov 2015 #124
What republicans lies are Black folks "just going with" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #232
Because you are suggesting that black voters are LESS likely to inform themselves than white voters. pnwmom Nov 2015 #329
Almost stunning a person could write that at all, let alone not change it after randys1 Nov 2015 #129
Do calm down. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #178
The BLM thing gave us plenty of issues to discuss. bravenak Nov 2015 #181
And yet multiple people have told you there is something wrong, weird that randys1 Nov 2015 #198
And yet multiple people have told you there is something wrong, weird that AlbertCat Nov 2015 #216
GOP meme? Which one is that? Usual suspects? Who are they? randys1 Nov 2015 #217
these are serious accusations. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #218
You should answer, really you should. I am not even sure what meme you are talking about randys1 Nov 2015 #219
Jesus fucking christ. JTFrog Nov 2015 #126
So.... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #130
Okay now, this came AFTER various explanations. No excuse for Hortensis Nov 2015 #193
I've really tried to stay out of this ... as insulting as the poster has been; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #241
Oh, the same way they can talk about Hillary being as Hortensis Nov 2015 #347
But mostly white. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #348
Here's a little black AND white. :) Hortensis Nov 2015 #352
I loe it! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #354
And the person truly, sincerely does not know what is wrong with what they wrote randys1 Nov 2015 #131
sincerely does not know what is wrong with what they wrote AlbertCat Nov 2015 #132
Now you are just baiting. JTFrog Nov 2015 #134
You are either knowingly continuing to insult Black people or you are just not randys1 Nov 2015 #136
I'm guessing he will tell you that he hasn't got a racist bone in his body. Squinch Nov 2015 #239
The clear implication, to me, SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #223
This is pretty disgusting of you. Squinch Nov 2015 #236
Not a single person has said that. Everyone is saying you are wrong pnwmom Nov 2015 #330
Yep. Condescending and Insulting. Way to get Black Voters for BS. Cha Nov 2015 #222
They show us who they are bravenak Nov 2015 #224
That statement too is a generalization ;-) JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #275
Yes, too many of them can't help themselves when it comes to Insulting the African American Cha Nov 2015 #280
They are getting worse and worse. bravenak Nov 2015 #283
Yeah, they like to abdicate responsibility just like their leader. Cha Nov 2015 #290
Ken is always cool with me. bravenak Nov 2015 #292
that's Good! I love seeing that.. it's so awesomely unique on this board. Cha Nov 2015 #295
Very unique. I love to see it too. bravenak Nov 2015 #298
Because all black voters are just uninformed... Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #133
They might not like his views on gun control, because black people and hispanics pnwmom Nov 2015 #152
What, you think Bernie's famous among whtie people? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #226
No, of course not -- which proves my point. He gets much higher approval numbers from whites, pnwmom Nov 2015 #235
Good points, PNWMom. Definitely think you're onto something. Hortensis Nov 2015 #349
Right, pnwmom.. those who tout "Name Recogition" are being insulting to the African American Cha Nov 2015 #325
Let me guess: your best friend is black, right? Squinch Nov 2015 #233
Yep ... They met here on DU and bonded over their mutual distain for that Black President. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #244
He would hang with more black people in real life, but, you know, they don't do enough research Squinch Nov 2015 #245
Oh my €%£¥ing God (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #250
If it makes you feel any better Egnever Nov 2015 #313
And meanwhile Bravenak and others get hides for innocuous posts.nt pnwmom Nov 2015 #332
Yea ok Egnever Nov 2015 #333
Sanders' problem is not name recognition. lovemydog Nov 2015 #321
"...the intense pressure of his grassroot on our community, kills his chances..." -- what? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #58
Already did. bravenak Nov 2015 #63
could you be more specific about the intense pressure AAs are getting from Bernie's people? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #69
No.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #75
were you referring to here on DU or out in the real world? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #214
There are none AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #186
Same world as the writers of many articles. That you don't read. bravenak Nov 2015 #189
could you link to one or two please? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #213
The op has a link. bravenak Nov 2015 #220
Start with hostility and then use any thesaurus procon Nov 2015 #112
It takes a village DownriverDem Nov 2015 #78
I like it!nt bravenak Nov 2015 #79
A winning ticket for sure! LOVE it! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #185
thank you heaven05 Nov 2015 #92
That's a load of tripe and you know it AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #184
She does. Way better chance. And she is inclusive. Making attempts at INTERSECTIONALITY. bravenak Nov 2015 #188
So she is 'inclusive'? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #190
Look at her staff. bravenak Nov 2015 #192
But more ... look at HRC's inner circle. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #253
Bingo!nt bravenak Nov 2015 #256
Inner circle of what? Rogue Democrat Nov 2015 #286
I guess your question points to, yet, another thing PoC and women have noticed that ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #336
See point #2 in the linked article: Clinton is far more upbeat and engaging - Sanders is depressing. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #8
I noticed that.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #11
If Sanders can do anything at all to get out the youth vote, more so the black youth vote,more power Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #16
Nothing to vote for in their opinion. Sad. bravenak Nov 2015 #26
I graduated from high school in 1964 the year upaloopa Nov 2015 #33
I wish we could get them to vote. I really do. bravenak Nov 2015 #66
I am hoping for a change in Ferguson, MO. They could have 100% black government if they LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #84
No, you or I wouldnt understand why they wont vote. But if you listen to them they will randys1 Nov 2015 #135
I almost understood it in s Arkansas, as the deputies that collected the ballot boxes in the black LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #144
Our young houseguest told us at dinner last night, "I don't vote." Hortensis Nov 2015 #127
So - It All Comes Down To Not Liking His Style - No Correlation To Substance - How Sad cantbeserious Nov 2015 #113
Read the whole article, it is not condescending. It is good campaign advice he would be wise to Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #118
They dont care randys1 Nov 2015 #137
That's all they have. They can't prop up Clinton on the issues. JimDandy Nov 2015 #138
...and that's what all of this is about CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #197
"Style" is what a President is about. Recursion Nov 2015 #252
So All We Elect Are Hollow Suits - America Must Be Truly Dead cantbeserious Nov 2015 #265
Americans focus on the Presidency way too much. This board included. Recursion Nov 2015 #268
i feel he delivers it with fire though. n/t retrowire Nov 2015 #141
He does, no argument with me there, he brings the passion....when he called out Trump for Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #145
i understand the alarmist tone retrowire Nov 2015 #153
I saw a youtube pnwmom Nov 2015 #334
Name recognition, is my best guess. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #13
You really should read the linked article. It is good advice and not condescending at all. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #18
I think it's a great article. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #30
Yup, in the end, AA got kicked off the welfare rolls just like everyone else fasttense Nov 2015 #51
Welfare.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #55
You really should use your skill against real racists instead of targeting socialists. n/t fasttense Nov 2015 #65
'Real racists'? bravenak Nov 2015 #67
That poster seems to have inferred your Welfare tag on his post is implying he is racist. n/t JimDandy Nov 2015 #81
Have no idea why.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #82
Really? JimDandy Nov 2015 #107
That article was spot on!!nt bravenak Nov 2015 #191
Yes, you know them? The ones who call themselves RepupubliCONS and KKK members? fasttense Nov 2015 #88
Socialists? Nah, mostly folks who want to see some change, but they arent socialists randys1 Nov 2015 #139
Socialism allows for land ownership and business ownership. fasttense Nov 2015 #160
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #255
I think I need to update my sigline. bravenak Nov 2015 #258
You mean Bill Clinton's disastrous "welfare reform?" villager Nov 2015 #90
I'm considering printing up Bingo cards Recursion Nov 2015 #254
Please do. bravenak Nov 2015 #257
Let's get something straight. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #87
Hillary Clinton has her own record from that era. jeff47 Nov 2015 #98
Perhaps we all need a little reminder. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #123
"Triangulation"? When exactly was the last time she or anyone else not on DU ever used that term? Hekate Nov 2015 #158
Wow. You really wrote that. And then you hit the button so everyone could read it. Squinch Nov 2015 #242
The article was written to explain why black voters are having trouble warming up to Bernie Sanders. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #337
My response was to the post in which fasttense said that black people should like Squinch Nov 2015 #339
Now that you mention it... Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #341
And are you saying that Hillary has a role in all that? Squinch Nov 2015 #342
If Hillary resorts to the same Thirdway method as her husband, I imagine Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #343
You know this has nothing to do with presidential politics, right? Squinch Nov 2015 #344
A person's past record and political beliefs are valid points to consider. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #345
Bush didn't have any effect on how local governments awarded contracts either. This is nutty. Squinch Nov 2015 #351
But they can influence where there is going to be a watershed of Federal money. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #353
And you think Bernie's going to tell local governments how to award their contracts if he's elected? Squinch Nov 2015 #355
My concern is based on observations I made during the nineties in the triangulation era. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #356
Oh, Lord. This really has nothing to do with presidential politics Squinch Nov 2015 #357
We all bring our own experiences to a discussion board. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #358
And you have the right to say that the president has something to do with how your Squinch Nov 2015 #359
I never said he or she could award municipal contracts. That is your interpretation. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #360
Why do you assume African Americans are more ignorant than white voters? pnwmom Nov 2015 #335
They are not ignorant at all. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #338
Good advice indeed, but I don't see Bernie taking it. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #2
Angry bravenak Nov 2015 #3
Yep. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #4
..about all the right things. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #6
Most of them. I could add to it.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #9
He is angry at the right things usually, though, like Wall Street. randys1 Nov 2015 #28
I agree with that. Sanders has been angry about the right things for a long time, but that message, Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #32
Good points, especially about flexibility. He doesn't seem to have any. Hekate Nov 2015 #91
Listening is an underrated skill and a tough one to perfect. Clinton listens and is flexible as she Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #103
It is about all of us angrychair Nov 2015 #163
there's only one thing standing in your way... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #228
I am not angrychair Nov 2015 #269
No...I really think its the voters... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #270
And there it is angrychair Nov 2015 #276
What dig....Its what I really think.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #277
Flexible is one thing, but cooperation is the main question. randys1 Nov 2015 #111
The tea party has to be crushed, in name and in intent. There is no "crossover" to gain in any Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #114
bridge to mythicism - great bar name randys1 Nov 2015 #117
Yup ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #38
+1 heaven05 Nov 2015 #94
Yet one has a better chance of winning the General. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #230
Kind of like BLM, no? Dawgs Nov 2015 #31
Ok.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #36
???? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #39
The word "angry" was used to portray Bernie in a negative way, which I thought was ironic. n/t Dawgs Nov 2015 #40
You are comparing Sanders angry rhetoric ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #45
That comparison proves what we have suspected all along. randys1 Nov 2015 #143
I must have missed the part where BLM was running for President firebrand80 Nov 2015 #86
He's I nice guy, but why would they want to feel him? Vattel Nov 2015 #7
Tsk tsk tsk!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #10
Very interesting read! Spazito Nov 2015 #12
It does. Now we all know the truth. bravenak Nov 2015 #14
Certainly some of the points hit home with me... Spazito Nov 2015 #19
I find it entirely depressing. I shut down. bravenak Nov 2015 #20
I would not say "problems", more a lack of appreciation why the Clintons are appreciated. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #25
Certainly the loyalty factor is there but... Spazito Nov 2015 #29
I'll read it. mmonk Nov 2015 #15
It DOES say most. bravenak Nov 2015 #21
OK. mmonk Nov 2015 #23
Oh, it's right in the headline. Most black voters, not all. bravenak Nov 2015 #24
I don't believe Bernie or his supporters want to hear (or believe) these things. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #17
Exactly. He would need to be dramatically better and more INVITING. bravenak Nov 2015 #22
More inviting is a great way to put it! My pet peeve is that Feel The Bern is not exactly inviting. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #34
Kinda scary in a way. I actually was a burn victim as a child. Went to the same doctor as Michael bravenak Nov 2015 #35
I'm voting in self defense. mmonk Nov 2015 #27
I'm in the same position. katsy Nov 2015 #59
No problems. mmonk Nov 2015 #70
Clearly, the risk is well founded ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #259
This message was self-deleted by its author AlbertCat Nov 2015 #37
Informative post, TY. Was curious re: prison for profit industry LettuceSea Nov 2015 #41
Of course. bravenak Nov 2015 #56
Thanks. That is the part I do not understand. LettuceSea Nov 2015 #83
Who is Bernie to us? bravenak Nov 2015 #85
I can get that. I appreciate your input here. nt LettuceSea Nov 2015 #89
So why did you originally support him? Kentonio Nov 2015 #102
Watch more black pastors.... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #42
It's not talking about religion lark Nov 2015 #49
Of COURSE it is not about religion, he HAS to know that randys1 Nov 2015 #146
It is not about religion but a hopeful message.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #72
So many whites don't get this DFW Nov 2015 #162
I am not even religious but I am so there. bravenak Nov 2015 #168
I totally get where you're coming from DFW Nov 2015 #187
Just doesn't connect IMO. firebrand80 Nov 2015 #43
That's fine Kentonio Nov 2015 #106
Okaaaay.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #237
The connection point is a good one. BlueCheese Nov 2015 #165
People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care firebrand80 Nov 2015 #166
I'm done playing the - black voters are a monolithic voting block - Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #46
If you would read the articles, written by AA's ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #52
they just cant come up with anything new, because there is nothing there. litlbilly Nov 2015 #109
We don't have to come up with anything new ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #261
And he will miss a significant segment of the Democratic base that have other priorities ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #260
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #47
The AA vote is really where the always-on conspiracy mindset has backfired dramatically. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #48
LOL. As always, our most conservative white posters speak for the AA community! nt Romulox Nov 2015 #50
Who the hell are you calling conservative? NuclearDem Nov 2015 #57
DU's warriors for the Status Quo. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #61
They refuse to even think about it. bravenak Nov 2015 #54
"always-on conspiracy mindset"-- what the hell is that? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #62
The mindset that anything inconvenient for Sanders is the result of a conspiracy. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #73
Not to mention the relentless bashing of all things President Obama... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #238
Wow, you seem to be on some kind of crusade Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #60
Enjoy the article! bravenak Nov 2015 #64
Of course I will Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #68
I wonder if white folks could ever possibly imagine why a Black person would think this way randys1 Nov 2015 #147
Point to where I lecture Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #154
To me it seems 1) humility and 2) tone are very important to older AA voters LettuceSea Nov 2015 #71
Cultural. It is cultural.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #77
It's generational, too. I don't mind enthusiasm, but I've earned my gray hairs .... Hekate Nov 2015 #96
Just a generational thing heaven05 Nov 2015 #120
I went door to door for Gene McCarthy, as well as co-running the HQ in town... Hekate Nov 2015 #155
not all "older AA voters" heaven05 Nov 2015 #115
Why is that? DownriverDem Nov 2015 #74
You have to read the whole thing.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #76
That was not al all condescending. JimDandy Nov 2015 #150
I know.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #151
Oops... JimDandy Nov 2015 #159
Umm hmmm. You are so winning!nt bravenak Nov 2015 #169
Why thank you. I like finding things we can agree on! n/t JimDandy Nov 2015 #176
We can agree on Tiger's blood.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #177
Too cryptic for me, so I can't agree, sorry. JimDandy Nov 2015 #179
Ok.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #180
It's a good article. Thank you. jalan48 Nov 2015 #80
so an obscure guy appears suddenly out nowhere and demands people vote for him. worth a try nt msongs Nov 2015 #93
Obscure? Out of nowhere? DEMANDS people vote for him? SoapBox Nov 2015 #105
There's some truth to that. procon Nov 2015 #125
Ok this is Democratic Underground INdemo Nov 2015 #95
Why are you still here? INdemo Nov 2015 #97
Did you forget to change to your sockpuppet account? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #104
This is an interesting slip. sufrommich Nov 2015 #110
Jesus christ man... randys1 Nov 2015 #148
Oh My! Was this going to be another future *former Bernie supporter* JimDandy Nov 2015 #164
Holy crap! ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #173
Yeah, why are you still here? NuclearDem Nov 2015 #246
Go fuck yourself NuclearDem NuclearDem Nov 2015 #247
Bite me, elephant fucker NuclearDem Nov 2015 #248
This post was alerted on even though you were R B Garr Nov 2015 #279
Should have gotten a hide. NuclearDem's a troll. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #316
Best sub thread ever! Egnever Nov 2015 #324
+1 ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #346
LOL let's just hope it was an accident that they R B Garr Nov 2015 #331
Arrogant much? Which way to the Purity Testing Station? Hekate Nov 2015 #99
Bravenak, you once explained it parsimoniously: The reason is Bill and Barack. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #101
I did. We like both. They seem not to. Incompatible. bravenak Nov 2015 #172
no that much is true and Bernie would have to be something different than what he is azurnoir Nov 2015 #108
Could it be his nature doesn't exhibit sufficient empathy? thesquanderer Nov 2015 #119
I do not think he see's the need for the overarching positivity displayed by those reverends. bravenak Nov 2015 #170
It's a good thing we've got "black voters" chosen spokesperson.... 99Forever Nov 2015 #121
IKR. Some random person on the internet vs. all the blacks that I communicate with on a daily Hiraeth Nov 2015 #140
I choose my neighbors. 840high Nov 2015 #156
yet you chose to interact with DUers all day, every day without dismissing their opinions.... bettyellen Nov 2015 #249
My neighbors are straight forward - no hidden agendas. 840high Nov 2015 #308
So, most of the POC here have a hidden agenda, compared to your real life. Interesting. bettyellen Nov 2015 #322
Don't put words in my mouth. Some on 840high Nov 2015 #326
And one with a real burr under her saddle for Bernie. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #157
Bernie is fine.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #183
What's with the stupid fucking spray can? nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #310
Somebody gave it to me as a gift. bravenak Nov 2015 #311
So much hate, so little time. polly7 Nov 2015 #312
This is not for Loonix. Don't know him. bravenak Nov 2015 #314
You do realize that people are posting the little bug just to remember him and polly7 Nov 2015 #315
Those are the ones that are very rude bravenak Nov 2015 #317
What the fuck are you talking about? nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #318
You asked bravenak Nov 2015 #319
Like I said ......... that kind of hate for someone who did nothing to you is just, gross. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #320
You're Welcome.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #182
Welcome where? 99Forever Nov 2015 #199
Welcome to my wisdom.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #200
Well that is a very short trip. 99Forever Nov 2015 #212
yes, now we know what ALL black voters think. 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #211
I happen to like Sanders, even though as I've said Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #142
I like him too. bravenak Nov 2015 #171
And CRICKETS, because they dont like Obama either. randys1 Nov 2015 #201
+1 lovemydog Nov 2015 #323
Your other thread on a similar topic was hidden? BlueCheese Nov 2015 #161
Some just vote hide based on name recognition. bravenak Nov 2015 #167
Ouch... ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #174
Hey!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #175
Hey back! ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #206
+1 leftofcool Nov 2015 #196
Good one! betsuni Nov 2015 #327
We just need to educate them on juries. bravenak Nov 2015 #328
ha! gollygee Nov 2015 #340
Why post a list of "issues and advice to help him improve his standing" melman Nov 2015 #194
Because I know people will do the opposite. bravenak Nov 2015 #195
Boy, for a relatively small Black Woman (as in physical size) you sure do cause a ruckus! randys1 Nov 2015 #202
I'll be quiet when I'm DEAD, Randy!! Dead, you hear! bravenak Nov 2015 #204
A good TV show like the new Netflix comedy starring Aziz Ansari "Master of None" randys1 Nov 2015 #205
oooh I cannot wait for that ! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #240
Critique (addressed to bravenak) Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #203
Goody!! bravenak Nov 2015 #207
Your points Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #210
Thanks for this Bravenak.. Cha Nov 2015 #208
You know, if you hide the truth, it's not true anymore! Something like that. bravenak Nov 2015 #209
Since it died in childbirth whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #215
No, they most certainly are not.. you can tell by their reactions to BS's claim.. Cha Nov 2015 #221
Sure can. Some are very sensitive. And authoritarian. bravenak Nov 2015 #225
The truth and the facts will seep out.. not matter how much they try and hide. Cha Nov 2015 #227
I pretty much agree with everything the article says. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #229
Are you serious? bravenak Nov 2015 #231
If you try to make sense of such comments, bravenak, it is never worth the time. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #243
They are amazing bravenak Nov 2015 #251
Why don't you give it a try? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #263
Thanks for a good chuckle, Bread and Circus. Hortensis Nov 2015 #350
Absolutely. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #262
No merit.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #266
Can't stand up to reason? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #272
Hmmm. That post? No.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #274
Rarely do I see you speechless... so I feel I must have hit a nerve and Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #278
If you ever see me speechless, it is because of the breathtaking st.. bravenak Nov 2015 #282
See your mind is made up and you indicate the "Black Vote" has already been determined... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #289
There are undecideds. He can still get them. He should try. bravenak Nov 2015 #291
You speak out of both sides of your mouth. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #297
Most does not equal all. He can still get the 'not most' group. He shoud try. bravenak Nov 2015 #300
Try what? Undecided blacks? Or undecideds in general? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #302
Try a face to face approach. Decideds go back undecided. bravenak Nov 2015 #303
I guess we will just have to see. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #304
Test some of the ideas out with fellow supporters. I know you meet away rrom here. bravenak Nov 2015 #305
What ideas? "speaking like a Black Preacher"? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #306
Nevermind.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #307
Bernie dissing Obama bravenak Nov 2015 #234
There's not much he can do HassleCat Nov 2015 #264
Pretty much. It is what it is at this point. Getting mad won't help at all.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #267
Very interesting article lovemydog Nov 2015 #271
I see much the same thing. bravenak Nov 2015 #273
The Obama coalition was Progressive Whites (i.e. Bernie Supporters) and Blacks Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #281
Well, it appears to be something bigger than lovemydog Nov 2015 #284
I am saying Obama's 2008 coalition and Hillary Clinton's coalition now is not the same thing. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #293
Yes, a good chunk. lovemydog Nov 2015 #309
Of course not. She has most of them and most of everybody else too, now. bravenak Nov 2015 #285
She is polling well but not that well. Huffpo has her at 57%. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #294
What are his numbers? bravenak Nov 2015 #296
29.5%, but you know that's not the point. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #299
. bravenak Nov 2015 #301
Thank you. That is a very constructive link. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #287
You're welcome.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #288
Well, I'm through with it Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #361
Yep. Nothing can be done. bravenak Nov 2015 #362
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