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2016 Postmortem

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malthaussen

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112. I wonder how much this trend towards extremism
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:31 AM
Nov 2015

is reflected in our "all or nothing" approach to policing, in "zero tolerance" policies in schools and other institutions, and in the general attitude of "do unto others before they do unto you, and do it ten times worse." There seems to be a clear linkage there, and it comes down to not using the brain with discretion at all. Of course, these attitudes are strengthened by racism and hatred of "the other," and if there is one thing our society seems very adept at doing, it is packaging people into smaller and smaller compartments of "otherness," so that instead of realizing a brotherhood of all, we proceed to the philosophy of "every man for himself." Being a nasty, suspicious, paranoid individual, I cannot help but think that, while certainly much of this movement is organic, there nevertheless are lurking in the background persons of ill-will who want things exactly as they are going. There is obvious advantage to fragmenting one's enemies -- and if one is at war with the whole world, then where does that lead?

One of my first disappointments with Mr Obama came during his debates with Mr McCain. He was asked a question about how he felt about the toxic atmosphere of the election (they hadn't seen anything yet). I thought his answer was telling, because he smiled and replied that "we" knew it would be a "tough" election, and "we" weren't afraid of anything (have I mentioned before how much I hate the tendency of people to use the first person plural to refer to themeslves?). The point being, apparently, that it was "tough" and somehow manly or otherwise powerful to be rude, endure rudeness, and live in a barrage of stones, that somehow this was a positive trait. It puzzled me then, because it seemed to be not just perpetuating, but glorifying the kind of atmosphere we're talking about. How often do we hear of "tough" decisions being made (which often to me seem not very tough at all, if one operates from principles of human rights and dignity, and not expediency), of the power and potency of this candidate or another? Are we electing the Chief Pugilist (saving your presence) or the Chief Executive? How have we come to the point where a President is celebrated because he authorized the successful killing of someone?

-- Mal

Count Down [View all] H2O Man Nov 2015 OP
I'm also reading and dreaming suffragette Nov 2015 #1
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 2015 #2
It can be easy to get stuck in a pattern and hard to get unstuck suffragette Nov 2015 #26
Good points .... H2O Man Nov 2015 #45
also dreaming. unapatriciated Nov 2015 #3
Very good! H2O Man Nov 2015 #6
Nicely said. K & R .. you have hit upon a key difference in Dem vs. GOP candidates. Persondem Nov 2015 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #7
Wise words from a wise man. Skidmore Nov 2015 #5
Well, thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #8
Eloquent and articulate... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #9
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #14
Enduring success is built on the solid foundation of small victories... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #56
Brilliant. Thank you. Liberal Jesus Freak Nov 2015 #10
Thank you, my Friend! H2O Man Nov 2015 #19
Was that Reuben "Hurricane" Carter by any chance? gregcrawford Nov 2015 #22
Yes. H2O Man Nov 2015 #23
I envy you that honor! gregcrawford Nov 2015 #24
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #27
I notice... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #41
"Rubin" was what H2O Man Nov 2015 #43
Thanks for the clarification... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #44
Our conversation here H2O Man Nov 2015 #97
I was not aware of the Canadian episode... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #98
As usual Old Codger Nov 2015 #11
Exactly! H2O Man Nov 2015 #21
A potential seldom realized these days DFW Nov 2015 #57
Much needed and well stated.. recommended AuntPatsy Nov 2015 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #25
Best post of the last month SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #13
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #28
One Can Dream - Even Hope - Won't Change The Dynamic Of This Election Cycle - The 99% vs The 1% cantbeserious Nov 2015 #15
Respectfully agree & disagree. H2O Man Nov 2015 #29
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #16
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #30
Could not agree more. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #17
As unpleasant as it H2O Man Nov 2015 #31
K&R one_voice Nov 2015 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #32
K&R. You're not the only dreamer ms liberty Nov 2015 #33
"Let It Sink" H2O Man Nov 2015 #34
Meh. I'm not ready to sing kumbaya. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #35
That's fine. H2O Man Nov 2015 #36
Ahhhh, thanks. MuseRider Nov 2015 #37
And thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #38
Very good ideas! MuseRider Nov 2015 #40
Thanks for putting into words Dem2 Nov 2015 #39
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 2015 #42
Bernie Sanders is to Hillary Clinton as Hillary Clinton is to a Republican. Zorra Nov 2015 #46
An apt parable... Ino Nov 2015 #49
Completely agree Kermitt Gribble Nov 2015 #47
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #51
Now that I'm reading through the entire thread, I see you once again bringing out the best in DU Hekate Nov 2015 #48
I'm impressed with H2O Man Nov 2015 #53
Making a strong case for, say, Mr Huckabee would be more challenging malthaussen Nov 2015 #95
kicking for as many annabanana Nov 2015 #50
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #54
I agree, it was a delightful forum. lark Nov 2015 #52
Well said! H2O Man Nov 2015 #55
I remember 1968 well DFW Nov 2015 #58
Evil Jinns - good way to describe it rosesaylavee Nov 2015 #59
McCarthy was also an influence DFW Nov 2015 #63
Very interesting. H2O Man Nov 2015 #66
I'm of two minds about online registration DFW Nov 2015 #70
I was near Watertown H2O Man Nov 2015 #74
My father's paper was the Watertown times DFW Nov 2015 #79
Interesting! H2O Man Nov 2015 #85
It's certainly possible. DFW Nov 2015 #90
Wow- you actually got to talk with Bobby Kennedy? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #60
Well, sure, but don't forget: DFW Nov 2015 #61
Cool! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #64
Bayh only briefly, but Dirksen was a hoot DFW Nov 2015 #65
OMG Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #67
I only remember Grin and Bear It DFW Nov 2015 #71
In used to watch that show with my grandfather on Sundays in the '60s Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #72
Larry Spivak used to run MTP as his own personal fifedom DFW Nov 2015 #81
So it actually was "an unrehearsed press conference" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #84
Grin and Bear It Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #73
The incomparable Senator Snort! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #78
I still have H2O Man Nov 2015 #68
Cool! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #75
A couple of years ago, H2O Man Nov 2015 #76
Wow! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #77
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #80
I'll tell you one thing Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #88
My younger daughter graduated Pace Law in 2010! DFW Nov 2015 #82
Now, ain't that something? H2O Man Nov 2015 #86
Small Democratic board, too, don't forget DFW Nov 2015 #87
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #92
I never met Cuomo DFW Nov 2015 #93
Outstanding OP! BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #62
Well, thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #69
I've left here except for perusing for good articles and found your post. mmonk Nov 2015 #83
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Nov 2015 #89
Indeed. Your speculation may very well be right on point. mmonk Nov 2015 #91
"The change needed will not come from the parties or status quo." antigop Nov 2015 #102
Yes. mmonk Nov 2015 #103
Not unlike you, I don't choose to participate in these bunfights malthaussen Nov 2015 #94
Well said. H2O Man Nov 2015 #96
I wonder how much this trend towards extremism malthaussen Nov 2015 #112
That is key to H2O Man Nov 2015 #114
Today is a day for being ruminant... malthaussen Nov 2015 #115
Lovely post iwillalwayswonderwhy Nov 2015 #99
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #104
By the way, check your PM DFW Nov 2015 #100
Very much appreciated! H2O Man Nov 2015 #105
You would relate to the subject matter, I was confident DFW Nov 2015 #106
Very impressive! H2O Man Nov 2015 #108
You posted this: Maedhros Nov 2015 #101
Thank you for H2O Man Nov 2015 #107
While much of what you say is true, mmonk Nov 2015 #109
Endless arguing over facts... malthaussen Nov 2015 #113
I'm dreaming with you! NastyRiffraff Nov 2015 #110
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #111
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