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struggle4progress

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23. No. I gave examples of three libertarians, all known for pushing a particular complex of crackpot
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 07:08 PM
Aug 2012

ideas about Julian Assange. One of them is politician Paul, who just the other day was spouting this nonsense. And another Raimondo, a paleo-conservative libertarian, who spouts exactly the same nonsense. The third is Glenn Greenwald. None are friends of the Democrat

They come from very different backgrounds, so it is odd to find them all spouting the same crackpot nonsense

Greenwald trained as a lawyer, so he's been taught the important of evidence in a narrative. But he's pushing a crackpot narrative without evidence! A look at Greenwald's history gives a clue: Greenwald's stated objective this electoral cycle is to split progressives away from the Democrats -- and his stated strategy for doing that includes the Wikileaks story

What about Paul? Nothing Paul says in Florida this week is accidental. If Paul is pushing the crackpot theory this week, he's doing it for political reasons too. Since Greenwald is a known speaker in Libertarian circles, having no trouble getting international attention for himself, and had regularly admired Paul in print, it's not wild theorizing to say Paul's campaign advisers have heard of Greenwald and are familiar with his ideas: it's a certainty, because competent high-level campaign staff learn who's out there and what ideas they're pushing. Since the Paul campaign has lost the GOP fight this year, so they must be reaching elsewhere this week. So who exactly is Paul trying to reach by pushing crackpot theories about Assange? An entirely reasonable guess is that Paul's gang is following somewhat along the lines of Greenwald's analysis

Raimondo, of course, is a third-tier player. But he's spouting exactly the same nonsense. Crackpot theories usually don't get repeated everywhere, unless there's some mechanism for promoting message discipline. Greenwald's been pushing this nonsense; the Paul campaign is echoing it; again, a natural guess is that a core group of Libertarians has agreed to push it everywhere

Does that mean everybody who pushes the theory is a Libertarian? Of course not



Where's the Ignore button when I finally find someone who needs it? eom leveymg Aug 2012 #1
How cute! struggle4progress Aug 2012 #2
Ergo, *only* believe the Pentagon in these matters! villager Aug 2012 #3
I provided a dozen links. Which ones do you think are the Pentagon's? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #6
Oh, the desperation reeks. woo me with science Aug 2012 #4
Since you removed your original accusatory link ("Just a note to PR and Corporate hacks struggle4progress Aug 2012 #18
Well just because you've responded... ljm2002 Aug 2012 #22
You can continue that discussion in that thread, if you like struggle4progress Aug 2012 #25
You're too kind. n/t ljm2002 Aug 2012 #30
I admire your stand... Agnosticsherbet Aug 2012 #5
Good article about Assange's political views tama Aug 2012 #7
So do you think Assange was lying in his interview with Forbes in which he chatters about struggle4progress Aug 2012 #8
I love the market tama Aug 2012 #10
Dennis? Is that You? Yavin4 Aug 2012 #11
Care to expand? tama Aug 2012 #13
Monty Python Holy Grail n/t Yavin4 Aug 2012 #19
He might be a moneyless bum, but I rather doubt it. He reportedly picked up £930K ($1.47 million) struggle4progress Aug 2012 #12
And from one of your links tama Aug 2012 #9
If he's a "crypto-anarchist" he should have so identified himself when feeling out a Senate run struggle4progress Aug 2012 #15
Ron Paul was against the bank bailouts... ljm2002 Aug 2012 #14
No, I'm saying crackpots like Ron Paul, Justin Raimondo, and Glenn Greenwald are all pushing struggle4progress Aug 2012 #16
Well then you're pushing BS... ljm2002 Aug 2012 #20
No. I gave examples of three libertarians, all known for pushing a particular complex of crackpot struggle4progress Aug 2012 #23
First of all tama Aug 2012 #17
Well said. Yes, it's the Ron Paul faux freakout...again. woo me with science Aug 2012 #21
OP begins by noting Paul didn't even get a slot at the GOP convention, then points out struggle4progress Aug 2012 #24
Wow talk about guilt by association. Assange also hangs out quite a bit with Zizek. Puregonzo1188 Aug 2012 #26
Why would I care who Assange allegedly associated with? The issue is how some crackpot theories struggle4progress Aug 2012 #27
What crackpot theory are you referring to? Puregonzo1188 Aug 2012 #28
I quote Paul directly in the OP struggle4progress Aug 2012 #29
good vs evil tama Aug 2012 #31
Greenwald's latest salvo is to denounce "Democrats’ sycophantic cheerleading " struggle4progress Sep 2012 #32
GG's stance has been clear to me since the election of Barack Hussein Obama. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #35
Another day, another dollar... backscatter712 Sep 2012 #33
Do you agree with Greenwald about the "Democrats’ sycophantic cheerleading"? struggle4progress Sep 2012 #34
DU rec...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #36
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