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2016 Postmortem

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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:43 PM Nov 2015

In New Shock Poll, Bernie Sanders Has LANDSLIDES Over BOTH Trump and Bush [View all]




In a general election, Bernie Sanders would mop the floor with these republican clowns......



In a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41.

The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points. The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.

It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be so huge that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative — if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election. It would be equally shocking if future polling shows that the Sanders lead over Bush remains at landslide margins. For today, there are two issues these polls present. First, the national reporting of the presidential campaign completely fails to reflect Sanders's strength in a general election, especially against Trump, and against Bush as well.

Second, and perhaps more important, Sanders's strength in general election polling gives credence to the argument I have been making in recent years, that American voters favor progressive populist positions which, if taken by Democrats in the general election, would lead to a progressive populist Democratic president and far greater Democratic strength in Congress.



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Clinton takes Trump by fifteen and Bush by eight in that poll. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #1
Don't see what's shocking about the poll. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #7
I DO!! But no one is talking about it!! SkyDaddy7 Nov 2015 #79
True that. mmonk Nov 2015 #20
Neither Trump or Bush will be the nominee. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #22
I fully agree. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #23
Not will Hillary don't worry. Fearless Nov 2015 #26
Maybe the Republicans will find that "Generic Republican" that does well in the polls.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #70
I tried to make this point yesterday but floriduck Nov 2015 #2
Real progressive vs. fake progressive. Segami Nov 2015 #6
The real question is which way do you want the party to go? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #41
Yay for that! vlakitti Nov 2015 #42
I support Bernie but it is ludicrous to think Bernie will receive more cross-overs than Hillary LonePirate Nov 2015 #18
No it's not. Fearless Nov 2015 #27
noop stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #75
I see many comments from right wingers on other MBs that they RESPECT Bernie as being honest!... cascadiance Nov 2015 #28
I think the reverse is ludicrous. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #29
How many Republican women will vote for Hillary? floriduck Nov 2015 #30
I completely disagree with your assessment. Look at every red state poll for proof. LonePirate Nov 2015 #33
Yes, I see your thought process. floriduck Nov 2015 #57
This thinking is detatched from reality. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #34
And you think the theory of more repubs voting for Bernie is based on reality? LonePirate Nov 2015 #37
Partisan republicans might not come over en masse Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #40
I think you're wrong... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #50
Thank you for shedding more light on this. floriduck Nov 2015 #58
You're welcome! tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #80
I'm MUCH more interested in electing a GOOD, DEMOCRATIC President. bvar22 Nov 2015 #39
Wrong, Hillary has practically ZERO crossover appeal. Bernie has intense support from disillusioned sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #45
That's not what I'm seeing among my independent and sane Republican friends Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #46
REPUBS HATE, I repeat, HATE Hillary with a burning passion. There's no way on this green Earth in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #47
My fear, too: Hillary will GALVANIZE mass quantities of Republicans... Beartracks Nov 2015 #74
Hillary's ties to the banks only attract latte liberals - TBF Nov 2015 #54
Strange; this poll shows both to be about equally, and easily, electable whatthehey Nov 2015 #51
Actually it was a jury that had your post hidden. Agschmid Nov 2015 #55
they've been so obsessed with policing the party line on DU since 2001 that they've forgotten MisterP Nov 2015 #71
I am not sure why it is shocking (not sure if the title is from the Hill or Brent Budowski) Mass Nov 2015 #3
In even more shocking news frazzled Nov 2015 #4
Nevertheless, I expect many HRC supporters will still insist she's more electable (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2015 #9
Should Sanders ever have the GOP's big guns turned on him, his electability will Persondem Nov 2015 #10
There are a very limited number of republicans and they always vote. Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #17
Except that Bernie's points take explaining and the GOP hit pieces can be done in sound bites Persondem Nov 2015 #24
You do realize a huge portion of the American population Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #32
Anybody who believes the two parties are similar isn't paying attention mythology Nov 2015 #56
A lot of people aren't paying attention. Half-Century Man Nov 2015 #63
Yep, you certainly have that right. Short attention spans and 200 channels of crap = Persondem Nov 2015 #65
It was the widely-held perception that the two parties are both the same, Utopian Leftist Nov 2015 #60
Your first point may have been a strategic consideration in the 200 loss, but Persondem Nov 2015 #64
The USA is far from moderate. Utopian Leftist Nov 2015 #69
I have a couple of comments about your post Samantha Nov 2015 #73
Thank you for the info. I did not know that about Tenn. as regards the 2000 election Persondem Nov 2015 #81
I think the point is frazzled Nov 2015 #11
Kickin' with gusto! Faux pas Nov 2015 #5
K/R UglyGreed Nov 2015 #8
Get thee to the greatest page! Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #12
McClatchy/Marist Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads All Republicans Nationally...This is your same poll... riversedge Nov 2015 #13
This post is not about Hillary... Segami Nov 2015 #15
Hillary has also gone through the vetting process at the national level. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #21
yes. agree. riversedge Nov 2015 #25
What we're seeing here is that the GOP is not a factor in the 2016 election Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #35
I've been saying it, too, but some people need the GOP to be a factor to sell their candidate. winter is coming Nov 2015 #52
Anyone on our side beating a repub is good news to me. tishaLA Nov 2015 #14
And, yet, despite the facts, the false rumor that... bvar22 Nov 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #31
Can't be. He's unelectable and doesn't look presidential. tk2kewl Nov 2015 #19
So much for the electability arguement... blackspade Nov 2015 #36
Go Bernie! SoapBox Nov 2015 #38
Doesn't surprise me at all bluestateguy Nov 2015 #43
Nice for both of them but national polls mean zip Gloria Nov 2015 #44
Wait..wait...wait! He's unelectable!! Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #66
Crossover votes AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #49
It's still early, but Bush is looking more and more irrelevant with each debate. merrily Nov 2015 #53
It's only a shock to those bleating otherwise. Fearless Nov 2015 #59
K&R leftcoastmountains Nov 2015 #61
Go Bernie! azmom Nov 2015 #62
But how reliable is any poll. I WOULD LOVE BERNIE TO BE PRESIDENT.....LOVE IT onecent Nov 2015 #67
So the whole "Hillary is the only one who can win" was bullshit. Color me unsurprised. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #68
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #72
typical Bernie supporter. stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #76
First things first. If he can win the nomination NurseJackie Nov 2015 #77
Bernie pulls very strong among Independents and pissed-off Republicans 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #78
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