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Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
80. I want Bernie to win but
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:21 AM
Nov 2015
"the fact that Bernie has gained just as much support as Hillary these past few weeks, and is in fact now at record high numbers nationally"


I'm not so sure that's an accurate claim.

At the end of September, Clinton was +13.2 over Bernie. Now, Clinton is +21.6 over Bernie. So Bernie hasn't gained as much support as Hillary over the past few weeks. Bernie is at an all time high in part because Biden dropped out to provide a boost. But Hillary got more of Biden's supporters than Bernie did (which roughly explains Clinton's surge/gain).
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

The start of the 2016 primaries is roughly a month later than 2008. So it could be argued that Clinton's lead of +25.6 on Oct 12, 2008 over Obama or her lead of +23.0 on Nov 12, 2008 has Bernie closer to Clinton than Obama was at the same time during their contest - if your looking for something factually positive to grab on to.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html#charts

I think what we have to watch closely is the early Feb 2016 primary states: Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada & South Carolina. Bernie's doing well in NH already. Iowa and Nevada are caucuses of some kind so he could surprise like Obama did there (though you can be sure Clinton will be much more vigilant and determined at the caucus level this time around). In order to close on Clinton and legitimately contend, he's going to need some good early showings to prove he might be able to beat her. Like Obama, that will get him media coverage and momentum if he can pull that off and then we'll have a real contest. Hopefully, something like that happens to close the gap.
The good news keeps coming in. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #1
Yep cannabis_flower Nov 2015 #11
Please stop referring to BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #2
Normally I'd Agree billhicks76 Nov 2015 #6
Yes, but... Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #19
Bullshit. This is a right wing meme. yardwork Nov 2015 #108
Yeah! 'Cause, um, well, um .... Scuba Nov 2015 #109
Proves only that the Clintons are smart politicians. yardwork Nov 2015 #110
She's only been elected twice in her life and lost her third try. I wouldn't call voting sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #113
While I dislike when people give strangers directives, I appreciate the sentiment Android3.14 Nov 2015 #18
Are you suggesting Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #32
Not so much theft and fraud, as bias and manipulation. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #62
I try to avoid talking to the Thought Police Android3.14 Nov 2015 #128
It was a request, not a directive. BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #124
+1. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #27
After the primary, we all have to live and work together persuadable Nov 2015 #38
Good advice DFW Nov 2015 #73
When this shows up in as many pro-Hillary threads as it does in pro-Bernie threads, I'll be right Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #74
It is getting closer to Go time. Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #3
South Carolina may prove a problem though, for HRC continues to enjoy KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #22
There's this tecelote Nov 2015 #52
Thank you! artislife Nov 2015 #97
Clap for Tinkerbell!! Clap as hard as you can!!...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #4
Awwww... How 'cute', you have a flyswatter. Haven't you heard? The new meme is a can of bug spray peacebird Nov 2015 #9
Siggy lines garner attention...success. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #145
Well, she did sort of get her groove back. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #5
Don't look now... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #7
Ouch! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #15
CONGRATS TO HILLARY AND HER TEAM riversedge Nov 2015 #33
54/32 is only a horse race in Berniewonderlandia Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #8
Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Demeter Nov 2015 #14
I will. Bernie will be back in the Senate and a Democrat Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #31
Your scenario is impossible. n/t Dawgs Nov 2015 #54
Bernie won't go back to the Senate? Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #63
Maybe, but that's not the impossible part. n/t Dawgs Nov 2015 #69
There is no chance at all for Clinton to win the GE Rogue Democrat Nov 2015 #71
Welcome to DU. Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #76
Two words: Obama coalition. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #94
Do you think the minortity vote will come out in record numbers like 2008? artislife Nov 2015 #98
Yeah, nothin' polarizing about a black guy Codeine Nov 2015 #114
and NOW Bernie will be just another Democrat in the Senate! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #56
No Hillary will start on the same path as Romney pinebox Nov 2015 #84
In your fanfic version of the election perhaps. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #141
denial is a dangerous thing bud pinebox Nov 2015 #144
LOL. You must be a satire account. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #146
nope. pinebox Nov 2015 #147
YES bravenak Nov 2015 #152
Did you say that to Obama supporters in 2008? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #135
I was an Obama supporter in 2008. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #140
I'm rec'ing for the news, but really wish the OP didn't use the term Hillbots. femmedem Nov 2015 #10
Rec'g with reservations...me too. Its fantastic news!, but delivered in a stink bomb. RiverLover Nov 2015 #13
Ssssh! Don't want to wake the colicky baby now. We just got her to sleep. Demeter Nov 2015 #12
LOL. DanTex Nov 2015 #16
Please change your title to remove the insult Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #17
" O K " DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #20
A Message to Hillary gordyfl Nov 2015 #21
Or in pictorial form: KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #23
Hillary and her team are working hard to get the votes and not counting riversedge Nov 2015 #39
Message to gordyfl VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #58
Thanks for that substantive, as always JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #83
Sanders has plateaued out this fall. riversedge Nov 2015 #24
Some of these folks think Bernie's candidacy ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #30
"Yet" is the key word. riversedge Nov 2015 #36
good point! treestar Nov 2015 #41
And let's not forget ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #138
I have given up trying to figure out why Obama was golden but Hillary is trash. yardwork Nov 2015 #155
It doesn't even rise to the transitive argument fallacy because none of the elements are there. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #50
Exactly. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #51
You are a sports fan like me. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #55
Some people think Hillary's candidacy... artislife Nov 2015 #99
I have not heard any one say that. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #102
Look up thread for an example artislife Nov 2015 #103
Salmon runs??? JoePhilly Nov 2015 #119
If you are looking in expected places and not noting the overall numbers. artislife Nov 2015 #120
You always nail it. And you did so perfectly here Number23 Nov 2015 #134
I never thought Bernie could ever poll 35 and I've always been planning to vote for him. mucifer Nov 2015 #60
We have heard this every month since May AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #136
If "Hillbots" is an acceptable term for you, are the following also fair game? Orrex Nov 2015 #25
Bravo n/t lisby Nov 2015 #42
LOL Orrex Nov 2015 #49
I kinda like Rug Berners. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #43
My personal favorite is "Donkey Oaties." Orrex Nov 2015 #48
You missed an obvious one but my stellar character prevents me from hurling epithets at my... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #44
LOL. I deliberately omitted at least one, to preserve a sense of mystery. Orrex Nov 2015 #45
Here we go again... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #26
Sorry but Bernie has flattened out for the most part and can't get above 33_35% FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #28
I would take the under, nationally... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #29
This is good news but I won't rec because of your use of the word Hillbot. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #34
Whatever you say......... Darb Nov 2015 #35
Berndicks? Is that the opposite of... bunnies Nov 2015 #106
Jury Results from Juror #4 stone space Nov 2015 #126
Hillbots? Martin Eden Nov 2015 #37
You just lost any respect I might have lisby Nov 2015 #40
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #46
CONGRATS TO HILLARY AND HER TEAM riversedge Nov 2015 #66
Hill it here. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #53
record highs? treestar Nov 2015 #57
Sticks and stones.... SmittynMo Nov 2015 #59
355 days? Try 90... brooklynite Nov 2015 #64
Wonderful SmittynMo Nov 2015 #67
Sadly, the "hating with a passion" thing seems to be coming from over here... brooklynite Nov 2015 #79
Believe what you want SmittynMo Nov 2015 #88
Oh so you think the Republicans do not hate HIM? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #82
I'm not saying that SmittynMo Nov 2015 #85
they have ALWAYS gone after Clinton....and guess what....she is still standing... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #89
She's a master at SmittynMo Nov 2015 #91
SHE has had them crafting faux controversies against her for 30 yrs...she is STILL here VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #95
I'm positive they will go after him SmittynMo Nov 2015 #96
and she has zero chance to get anything 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #153
wonder if the same folks who used the term "Obamabots"....are the same ones using the term "Hillbots VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #77
typical Bernie supporter. stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #61
I still don't believe Bernie can win firebrand80 Nov 2015 #65
Far enough to get your vote? n/t SmittynMo Nov 2015 #70
I doubt this primary will still be going in April firebrand80 Nov 2015 #75
Don't look now, but temperatures have been in the 60s in Maine this week 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #68
Congratulations Senator Sanders.. ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #72
Would the term "Berniebots" be allowed in an OP headline?? riversedge Nov 2015 #78
I don't see why not SmittynMo Nov 2015 #90
I've seen "Bernistas" used more than once... ljm2002 Nov 2015 #123
Sure - it's kind of amusing! I mean we can tease each other a little, can't we??? reformist2 Nov 2015 #142
I want Bernie to win but Jarqui Nov 2015 #80
NV has a strong Party organization built up by Harry Reid... brooklynite Nov 2015 #93
Hillary won the state in 2008 BUT .... (as you say ..) Jarqui Nov 2015 #100
Further to the above Jarqui Nov 2015 #125
Record highs? That is an improvement. nt Nitram Nov 2015 #81
Does he have the most delegates needed to win the nomination yet? nt procon Nov 2015 #86
Have the primary votes started? nt artislife Nov 2015 #92
Since the majority of primary polling stats still favors Clinton, procon Nov 2015 #112
It is a relevant question in a democracy.nt artislife Nov 2015 #115
And a democracy is nothing without the math that determines the victor. nt procon Nov 2015 #118
Still, we have to vote FIRST. nt artislife Nov 2015 #121
You're killing your own argument here. procon Nov 2015 #122
No I am not artislife Nov 2015 #127
So your best rejoinder is down to a personal attack now? procon Nov 2015 #129
personal attack? ! artislife Nov 2015 #130
Bernie!! AzDar Nov 2015 #87
Don't look now, Bernbot, but Clinton's ahead. Nitram Nov 2015 #101
Also lost in the flurry is that Clinton's poll numbers are rising at a faster rate: George II Nov 2015 #104
Hillbots? Really? MineralMan Nov 2015 #105
Yeah okay........54.2 Hillary & 32.6 BS.... Historic NY Nov 2015 #107
I'm a Bernie supporter, but I think the term 'Hillbot' is both tasteless and disrespectful. n/t ColesCountyDem Nov 2015 #111
He is unelectable. Never gonna happen. Ever. Beausoir Nov 2015 #116
Just like Obama was "unelectable" with LOWER numbers. Never happened I guess then too!!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #131
Bernie Sanders is no Obama. It will never happen. Ever. Take it to the bank. Unelectable. Beausoir Nov 2015 #133
Yep, Bernie is "no Obama". He likely will be seen as more trustworthy than Obama... cascadiance Nov 2015 #137
Bernie is unelectable. Hillary is by far the better candidate. Time to deal with it. Beausoir Nov 2015 #148
Bernie being "unelectable" is YOUR *OPINION*! Deal with it!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #150
I consider that a good thing. 840high Nov 2015 #151
Please don't call them Hillbots tblue Nov 2015 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #132
Hillbots eh? Looks like you're pushing more BS from the BS-ers. (2 can do the "name" crap) Persondem Nov 2015 #139
Hillbots? Are we on a RW site? Beacool Nov 2015 #143
Hillbots?? Tipperary Nov 2015 #149
Yes he's been winning in all 50 states for some time now. ucrdem Nov 2015 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Nov 2015 #156
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