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Joe Turner

(930 posts)
68. No that's how Progressives describe 3rd-Way democrats like Hillary
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:09 AM
Nov 2015

that are Republicans in disguise. And yes that does describe Clinton. Her and her husband consistently bend to the ideological wind of RW. It's all about power and whatever it takes to get there.

Insiders: Bad night for Bernie [View all] sufrommich Nov 2015 OP
Bernie: Senator Clinton voted for Iraq. Hillary: I've already said Iraq was a mistake. merrily Nov 2015 #1
Factual grasp is kind of important in making the right decision. Look at Bush's "facts"! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #7
Not if you make horrific decisions despite your "factual grasp." The right decision matters, period. merrily Nov 2015 #12
I am sorry to hear you do not value a President having a good grasp of facts. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #14
That's bs, Fred. You didn't hear that from me and you know it. What are you trying to prove? merrily Nov 2015 #17
Fred is among those who don't say what they mean about Bernie.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #55
Wow. Thank you. DU's right says criticism of Hillary's merrily Nov 2015 #64
The truth hurts! Here are the Jury results. arcane1 Nov 2015 #106
Thank you, arcane1. I knew before I hit Post My Reply that post would be merrily Nov 2015 #115
And surely not the only one around here n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #118
He is supporting someone with the blood of a million innocent KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #70
The TV's been on while I've been posting. Sanders's comment on her war vote merrily Nov 2015 #75
It hasn't helped her much in the past, now, has it? bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #96
You can have experience and knowledge Joe Turner Nov 2015 #51
That does not describe Clinton but it does describe how the RW wants to describe Clinton. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #59
No that's how Progressives describe 3rd-Way democrats like Hillary Joe Turner Nov 2015 #68
Interesting then how everyone else thinks Clinton has been moving to the left, not to the right?! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #72
She only moves to the left zalinda Nov 2015 #94
Like that famous right wing site, Kos merrily Nov 2015 #116
Remember another president who was against the Iraq war who has largely continued occupation? thebighobgoblin Nov 2015 #81
He campaigned on a lot of promises zalinda Nov 2015 #95
Obama pivoted because he had to -- just like anyone would. thebighobgoblin Nov 2015 #107
Except that he negotiated from the middle zalinda Nov 2015 #109
VERY good points. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #16
Thank you. I appreciate it. merrily Nov 2015 #19
Clinton has already gone through an election where the Iraq vote was brought up... brooklynite Nov 2015 #22
John Kerry in 2004, when the IWR vote was fresh in the minds of Democrats. oasis Nov 2015 #120
The US elected the Obama-Biden ticket twice, despite Biden's vote. yardwork Nov 2015 #35
Obama spoke out against that war. People don't vote for President based on a VP. merrily Nov 2015 #37
Obama spoke out against the war in 2008. He wasn't in the senate in 2003. yardwork Nov 2015 #43
Wrong year, by a lot. If he had been a Senator at the time, I would have posted about merrily Nov 2015 #45
Do you even bother to check facts before you post??? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #76
How many years BootinUp Nov 2015 #44
Oh, please. It's obvious I know she was Secretary of State. I was not impressed. merrily Nov 2015 #50
Is this to become a one issue campaign analogous to the Republicans and abortion. olegramps Nov 2015 #77
It was also a mistake based in part on Bush's manipulation of intelligence thebighobgoblin Nov 2015 #79
You don't vote to give any President zalinda Nov 2015 #98
Damn! Is Bush running again? merrily Nov 2015 #119
Clinton's invoking 9/11 to deflect away from her Wall$treet donations was a disaster peacebird Nov 2015 #2
Rudy didn't say women. merrily Nov 2015 #20
Or straight out of Rove's playbook n/t MissDeeds Nov 2015 #36
I think it is Clinton who had a very bad night last night. Weidman Nov 2015 #3
It certainly doesn't inspire confidence. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #18
If you're driving, don't make first woman President your drinking game meme. merrily Nov 2015 #23
Welcome back to DU and may the rest of your life be the best of your life. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #29
"She's done"??? oasis Nov 2015 #121
Wow. That poll has Hillary winning debate 77%. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #4
Right off the top, he showed how limited and R B Garr Nov 2015 #5
I let out an audible gasp when he went back to a standard talking point. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #63
Bernie has no clue. thebighobgoblin Nov 2015 #83
“He made a mistake right off the bat in switching from Paris to the economy, and had an uneven Cha Nov 2015 #6
What some see as factually correct others demean as "pure". mmonk Nov 2015 #8
"Seventy-seven percent of Democratic insiders surveyed called Clinton the winner, saying that of Cha Nov 2015 #21
Have a nice day. mmonk Nov 2015 #24
ignorance is free jeepers Nov 2015 #93
True. Ignorance of foreign policy can be a huge problem for a President. bravenak Nov 2015 #110
Seventy-seven percent of Democratic insiders haydukelives Nov 2015 #101
Some Dems say Clinton is inherently amoral. arcane1 Nov 2015 #114
the first answer was a mistake 6chars Nov 2015 #34
This ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #9
Yep, I thought that explained his problem succinctly.nt sufrommich Nov 2015 #15
widening his base? tomp Nov 2015 #26
^^THIS!^^ InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #42
Clinton is running for the 10th Reagan term XemaSab Nov 2015 #84
Sanders has to stop trying to widen his supporter base to include the extreme RW...he is predictably Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #27
Yes I agree with that ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #38
Counting on anger....who does that? That is not an attractive election strategy to me. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #39
No it is not ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #86
Except that THIS is not what's happening... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #80
She effed up Android3.14 Nov 2015 #10
I don't know. Are they? If so, great. Americans don't like a rigged game. I wish they knew about merrily Nov 2015 #25
I have to agree lanlady Nov 2015 #11
Un-believable. As in not believable. I think all media outlet "analysis" on the debates is suspect. reformist2 Nov 2015 #13
They probably started writing their analysis of the next debate last night. merrily Nov 2015 #28
Totally agree. DCBob Nov 2015 #30
He was clearly not comfortable discussing detail on foreign policy matters, AlbertCat Nov 2015 #52
He did so terribly, that is all she really needed to say. bravenak Nov 2015 #111
Isn't Politico nearly an arm of the Clinton campaign? Vinca Nov 2015 #31
The founding editors are very close to the Clintons INdemo Nov 2015 #74
None of that matters. thebighobgoblin Nov 2015 #87
YOU may not need a revolution zalinda Nov 2015 #104
This is your oppinion and millions of other voters will disagree with you INdemo Nov 2015 #108
Bullshit nt newfie11 Nov 2015 #32
Hillary supporter grasps at straws, film at eleven Doubledee Nov 2015 #33
He showed he's a one-issue candidate. Metric System Nov 2015 #40
What a load of crap! Bernie took Hillary's positions apart, piece by piece, like a skilled surgeon. Typical Politico tripe. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #41
I thought he consistently showed Hillary's weaker positions on issues progressives.. mvd Nov 2015 #90
Ell.Oh.Ell. AzDar Nov 2015 #46
I don't agree perdita9 Nov 2015 #47
I gotta find it to watch again. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #67
So are we going to let a bunch of "Insiders" choose our candidate, can't think for yourself? bahrbearian Nov 2015 #48
The "Insiders" know better, apparently Helen Borg Nov 2015 #54
I suspect they do.. DCBob Nov 2015 #69
Remember "superdelegates"? Jester Messiah Nov 2015 #58
HRC - Neocon Enabler - Wall Street Sycophant - Member Of The 1% - Bernie Won The Debate cantbeserious Nov 2015 #49
The key word here is "insiders." Harcourdt Fenton Mud Nov 2015 #53
Welcome to DU, Harry Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #105
"Insiders" striking a narative, hoping it sticks. eom NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #56
Insiders refers to: "a bipartisan group of influential strategists, operatives and activists.. DCBob Nov 2015 #66
Clinton did well. K & R nt Persondem Nov 2015 #57
Insiders: If you are not one of us fuck you, you outsider. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #60
If you read the article.. DCBob Nov 2015 #65
Of course.ABC,CBS,CNN NBC and even Faux had Hillary winning (early afternoon before Debate began) INdemo Nov 2015 #61
Is this poll scientific enough for you? artislife Nov 2015 #62
Bernine won hands down. James48 Nov 2015 #71
Ouch. nt Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #73
Bernie's handling of questions raises huge red flags. thebighobgoblin Nov 2015 #78
Sanders did not say what you made up he said, "basically". But enjoy ripping into your strawman! Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #82
As I Said Last Night & Just Posted Another Post Here... ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #85
KICK! Cha Nov 2015 #88
NO, it wasn't a bad night for Bernie Demeter Nov 2015 #89
The 'Politico Caucus' really seems to *love* their establishment candidates. PotatoChip Nov 2015 #91
Politico exists for hatchet jobs against anyone who threatens the status quo or is TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #99
Nice try to put him in a negative spot. SoapBox Nov 2015 #92
totaly bullcrap Robbins Nov 2015 #97
Ultimately, when folks vote, they will think of their economic well-being and vote for Bernie. /nt NCjack Nov 2015 #102
Insiders? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #100
This poll is a pantload... raindaddy Nov 2015 #103
Six Questions cantbeserious Nov 2015 #112
He did so bad. Terribly. bravenak Nov 2015 #113
Fuck a whole bunch of "insiders." 99Forever Nov 2015 #117
HaHa! They can't handle the Iowa and NH Dems giving their views on the 2nd Debate! Cha Nov 2015 #122
And, why was bernie "caught flat footed".. his aide pitched a fit when he found out there were going Cha Nov 2015 #123
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