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In reply to the discussion: 1 Winner and 3 Losers from the Democratic Debate [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)129. Obama discussed the difference between urban and rural gun use after Sandy Hook, is he racist?:
I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations and I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake."
His comments come in the wake of the shootings last month in Newtown, Conn. The killing of 20 children in the town has spurred gun-control advocates to seek restriction on the ownership of certain firearms such as military-style assault rifles.
"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that.
"So it's trying to bridge those gaps that I think is going to be part of the biggest task over the next several months. And that means that advocates of gun control have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/27/170393072/gun-control-advocates-should-listen-more-obama-says
His comments come in the wake of the shootings last month in Newtown, Conn. The killing of 20 children in the town has spurred gun-control advocates to seek restriction on the ownership of certain firearms such as military-style assault rifles.
"Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas. And if you grew up and your dad gave you a hunting rifle when you were ten, and you went out and spent the day with him and your uncles, and that became part of your family's traditions, you can see why you'd be pretty protective of that.
"So it's trying to bridge those gaps that I think is going to be part of the biggest task over the next several months. And that means that advocates of gun control have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/27/170393072/gun-control-advocates-should-listen-more-obama-says
And your candidate slammed Obama and claimed she understood the gun culture:
Hillary hits Obama on faith, guns
Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).
"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747
Yesterday, Clinton hit Obama for calling Pennsylvanians "bitter," ground on which he fairly ably engaged.
Today, she's onto the other half of his San Francisco remarks, in which he linked economic frustration to clinging to religion and guns (the part he sought to walk back this morning in Muncie, Ind.).
"Sen. Obama's remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch," Clinton said. "The people of faith I know don't 'cling to' religion because they're bitter. ... I also disagree with Sen. Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/04/hillary-hits-obama-on-faith-guns-007747
There goes that logic of yours again.
And btw, I've always been anti-death penalty, unlike others who support it because it suits their agenda du jour.
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If you're looking for 'weak sauce' look no further than Hillary's 9-11 excuse for taking Wall St. $$
99th_Monkey
Nov 2015
#1
Or Bernie refusing to ever admit that his vote for mass incarceration was devastating to my
bravenak
Nov 2015
#8
Oh, you must mean the 1994 CLINTON Administration's Crime Bill, that Hillary crusaded for?
99th_Monkey
Nov 2015
#18
So you admit he was wrong? Good. I like living in reality. THEY ALL SCREWED UP!!! ALL OF THEM!!
bravenak
Nov 2015
#22
I did NOT say Sanders wasn't "wrong" to vote for Clinton's Crime Bill, I put it into context
99th_Monkey
Nov 2015
#26
Bernie voted for it because of the Violence Against Women Act and ban on assault weapons:
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#101
Yep. .. and if Bernie had NOT voted for it, he'd be attacked as a "gun nut" even more-so
99th_Monkey
Nov 2015
#118
Now we just know he is pro mass incarceration. As shown by his vote in favor of it.
bravenak
Nov 2015
#126
Obama discussed the difference between urban and rural gun use after Sandy Hook, is he racist?:
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#129
No kidding. So why is it racist when Bernie mentions it but not when Obama does?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#132
Can you explain why citing urban/rural gun differences is racist only when Bernie discusses it?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#134
Obama did it after Sandy Hook, how far back does it have to be to not be racist?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#136
So citing the difference between rural and urban gun use is only racist when Bernie discusses it.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#139
If it's racist when one cites a fact how is it not racist when someone else does the same thing?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#141
Facts aren't slurs, how can citing a fact only be racist when Bernie does it?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#143
How does that change the fact that Bernie voted for it? It doesn't. At least admit it was a bad vote
bravenak
Nov 2015
#90
I know.. BS fans don't know the damage they do when they campaign in his name like this.
Cha
Nov 2015
#171
they can't help themselves.. they're just aggressive like a bull in china shop, not aware
Cha
Nov 2015
#173
You think that hate letter sent to my home by someone who said they supported him colored my view?
bravenak
Nov 2015
#75
What bothered me the most about Sander's statement was regarding the minimum wage
Evergreen Emerald
Nov 2015
#11
I love that you were 'assigned' LITERALLY five minutes to respond before someone decided to chirp
Number23
Nov 2015
#91
Not supporting the "Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act' ("Brady Bill")
BumRushDaShow
Nov 2015
#34
My reply was specifically in response to "After the fact?" which itself--judging
petronius
Nov 2015
#52