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MichMan

(11,778 posts)
111. Yes
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:30 PM
Nov 2015

Since it can't be phased in immediately, I would propose $20/hr as the minimum wage goal. That may sound ridiculous to some, but fighting over $12 or $15 isn't enough to make up for the last 25 years with what the robber barons have done to the working class.

In order to keep parity with people making above minimum now, everyone else should have a similar % increase.

My major fear is that since I work for a non union auto supplier now paying $12-$15/hr, that going to a comparable % increased wage of around $25-30/hr could cause the big 3 automakers to buy parts from a Chinese or Mexico based supplier instead of the one in Michigan I work for. It can be hard work, so in order to get people to work here, they would have to pay more than a fast food place or gas station paying minimum.

I'm too old to find new employment at the age of 58. Hoping that all the profits from people being able to afford new cars would prevent that from occurring.

Then we should provide a permanent basic income to those who can't get work. reformist2 Nov 2015 #1
Total agreement. Wellstone ruled Nov 2015 #3
Why would you work if you could get permanent income for not working? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #7
You wouldn't! That's the point. Give the average citizen real power to bargain with employers. reformist2 Nov 2015 #10
No. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #12
Work gives meaning in life. In our work, we achieve status, we meet goals, we deal with people. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #160
Thank for that insightful rationale. lovemydog Nov 2015 #164
People in the South say that they cannot afford $15 per hour. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #185
And if people are making that as a minimum, lovemydog Nov 2015 #186
Precisely! JDPriestly Nov 2015 #187
Lots of people wouldn't, which is a good thing Recursion Nov 2015 #52
There still is this puritanical belief that everyone needs to work. Old beliefs die hard. reformist2 Nov 2015 #83
Wealth is created such as in manufacturing upaloopa Nov 2015 #179
We embrace the thrust of Reagans 'welfare queens' now? JackInGreen Nov 2015 #108
Because most people want more than just basic food and shelter. Matariki Nov 2015 #118
Standard right wing claptrap AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #144
We have extended unemployment benefits MaggieD Nov 2015 #23
We're not really covered. Workers are stil vulernable, likely to take whatever they can get. We need reformist2 Nov 2015 #35
$12 per hour is just right MaggieD Nov 2015 #96
We get ripped off by insurance companies and predatory college loans AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #145
I hear there are flights to Denmark everyday MaggieD Nov 2015 #146
Well.. AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #149
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #174
I love seeing Republican arguments made on DU Armstead Nov 2015 #2
No shit. TM99 Nov 2015 #5
The author of the Vox piece is a former Cato Institute guy, that's the Koch Bros outfit.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #19
For real? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #55
Oh yeah. Koch-o-Rama. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #61
So what do you think of Glenn Greewald's screeds about Hillary? MaggieD Nov 2015 #65
No one is against raising it. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #8
You're correct....Just remember... Armstead Nov 2015 #11
The cost of living varies widely from place to place. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #13
Not the basics...and many variables within areas Armstead Nov 2015 #16
Again, wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #67
I guess I don't know anything about my own hometown because I'm so Extreme Armstead Nov 2015 #88
2015 California minimum wage $9/hr. Washington 9.47/hr. tennessee 7.25/hr neverforget Nov 2015 #95
A $12 federal wage is the right number MaggieD Nov 2015 #97
Fascinating that you beleive a $15 minimum wage is "extremism." Scootaloo Nov 2015 #159
+1. Bonus points if it's mischaracterized as "adult thinking". n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #14
Couple of things on those points..... MaggieD Nov 2015 #27
My objective is to point out what I said -- And the author is a CATO Libertarian Armstead Nov 2015 #44
No, the author is NOT a CATO libertarian MaggieD Nov 2015 #60
Incorrect, he was first a staff writer at Cato, then later an adjunct scholar at Cato. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #64
He worked for Ezra Klien and now with Yglesias MaggieD Nov 2015 #69
Obviously I know who he is, you left his by line out of your OP, I named him and offered his CV to Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #168
Probably because He's a Cato Institute contributor? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #70
I seem to remember that was fine when it was Glenn Greenwald MaggieD Nov 2015 #109
Glenn Greenwald wasn't trying to sell policy to shortchange workers Scootaloo Nov 2015 #110
So CATO is okay if the post comes from the Bernie peeps? MaggieD Nov 2015 #123
It's pretty simple Scootaloo Nov 2015 #131
So CATO is okay if you agree with it? MaggieD Nov 2015 #135
You were just arguing that Lee was not affiliated with CATO Scootaloo Nov 2015 #136
He's not, but I'm just trying to figure out your reasoning MaggieD Nov 2015 #147
I've explained thorough. I'm not sure what your difficulty is Scootaloo Nov 2015 #151
Your explanation makes no sense MaggieD Nov 2015 #152
Which thread was it, first of all? Let's see it, por favor Scootaloo Nov 2015 #154
It's linked here MaggieD Nov 2015 #155
I don't feel like scrolling through this whole thread to do your work for you. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #156
He's a senior editor at Vox - liberal blog MaggieD Nov 2015 #157
Pardon me, but... Scootaloo Nov 2015 #158
That some think business owners are entitled to cheap labor is quite laughable... AOR Nov 2015 #47
+1 kristopher Nov 2015 #59
And labor couldn't exist without capital investment MaggieD Nov 2015 #63
Labor existed long before "capital investment"... AOR Nov 2015 #89
Link? MaggieD Nov 2015 #98
At some point far enough back in history there was no capital but there has always been labor Fumesucker Nov 2015 #107
Again, wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #113
Where did the capital come from? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #115
It's starts from the business owner MaggieD Nov 2015 #124
Alley Oop finds a nice piece of flint on the ground and knaps a Clovis point from it Fumesucker Nov 2015 #132
But no workers gets paid until Alley makes a bunch himself and sells them MaggieD Nov 2015 #134
You're deeply embarrassing yourself... AOR Nov 2015 #138
Again you're wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #139
LOL...you made the statement that labor can't exist without "capital investment"... AOR Nov 2015 #141
No, I responded to a statement that labor wages come first MaggieD Nov 2015 #143
Lincoln would disagree with your ridiculous assertion Oilwellian Nov 2015 #180
Lincoln didn't say that MaggieD Nov 2015 #183
Where do you learn your economics? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #137
don't worry. she'll get another time out soon Doctor_J Nov 2015 #66
Yes, a lot times it goes way beyond feel good sound bytes.. and this isn't a goppoint of view. Cha Nov 2015 #4
Okay...Some people think it feels good to have a roof over their heads and 3 squares a day Armstead Nov 2015 #6
It's always a good thing to know who stands with capital over labor and business as usual... AOR Nov 2015 #17
Please note who the author of the piece was Armstead Nov 2015 #22
Never seen a GOPer in favor of raising min wage to $12 MaggieD Nov 2015 #39
Exaclty.. just more misinformation to prop up BS and attempt to tear down Hill. Cha Nov 2015 #45
Some people care about more than the Battle of the Candidates Armstead Nov 2015 #100
No, you're right - Neoliberalism is a bipartisan philosophy Scootaloo Nov 2015 #58
KICK! Thank you, Maggie! Cha Nov 2015 #9
If the minimum wage kept UglyGreed Nov 2015 #15
Lucky for you Dems support increasing it MaggieD Nov 2015 #41
Yes MichMan Nov 2015 #111
What a stark admission of conservatism this is. The author of the Vox piece is a Cato Institute guy Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #18
Oh good catch. Armstead Nov 2015 #21
And quoting Reihan Morshed Salam, the editor of the National Review. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #26
So then why is the anti-Hillary Glenn Greenwald stuff okay? MaggieD Nov 2015 #36
When I post some of his stuff you can come whine to me then, I don't so I'm pointing out that your Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #46
GOP libertarian talking points!!!! UglyGreed Nov 2015 #20
It's nuts, isn't it? RobertEarl Nov 2015 #24
I was being sarcastic UglyGreed Nov 2015 #33
I know you were RobertEarl Nov 2015 #53
Thanks UglyGreed Nov 2015 #62
FYI Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #25
It's okay to call a lifetime Democrat a republican, or GOPer or whatever MaggieD Nov 2015 #29
when you post right wing talking points you takes your chances. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #32
Ayup! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #40
I saw a hotair post today by a Bernie supporter MaggieD Nov 2015 #48
Well your OP touts a Koch brother loving GOP libertarian straight out of the Cato playpen, so Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #57
Vox is a liberal site MaggieD Nov 2015 #72
I'm the person who pointed out his roots and resume, linked to his bio, and first named him in Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #85
Again, wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #103
It's a conspiracy to silence good Clinton supporters Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #94
Pathetic TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #30
They are out to get me UglyGreed Nov 2015 #43
Go look at my other thread UglyGreed Nov 2015 #50
So then we can discount ANYTHING Glenn Greenwald says.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #42
If Glenn Greenwald is writing rightwing economics articles go ahead and call it out Armstead Nov 2015 #54
But Alan Krueger, the co-author of that famous fast food employment study and a former adviser to Cha Nov 2015 #28
HaHa.. some anonymous poster on here asks if you're a "koch bro operative"!!!!!!1111111 and it Cha Nov 2015 #31
The op is a libertarian hit piece on a Democratic candidate. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #37
Unbelievable ... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #79
This thread is full of win! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #84
!!! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #86
Seems odd you're ignoring the facts in the article MaggieD Nov 2015 #104
That's because the editorial the OP cites is by a Koch trained Cato Institute flack. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #51
You know, if we had a single payer healthcare system that was not tied to employment, PatrickforO Nov 2015 #34
Republicanspeak Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #38
Earlier you claimed he wanted to "immediately jump" to $15/hr now you're posting libertarian screeds beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #49
It becomes clearer: why the 'H' arrow points to the right. n/t earthside Nov 2015 #56
Hot Links to Cato Institute podcasts by the author for you Mags, since you are such a fan.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #68
LMAO! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #71
She touts right wing anti minimum wage attacks on a Democratic candidate then gets cheesed off Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #75
It's a conspiracy! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #76
Tell me which republican supports a $12 min wage MaggieD Nov 2015 #78
Show me where in that editorial the author says HE supports a $12 minimum. He does not. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #90
The article is not an editorial MaggieD Nov 2015 #106
It is punditry, an editorial with a strong point of view against living wages. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #169
Is that the New Normal template? Slightly better than Republicans? Armstead Nov 2015 #93
Oh noes... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #81
There are two podcasts - neither of them seem libertarian MaggieD Nov 2015 #77
Ezra and Matthew did not write this, Mags. Timothy Lee of Cato Institute wrote this. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #82
Glenn Greenwald worked for CATO MaggieD Nov 2015 #128
No he didn't Mnpaul Nov 2015 #148
So you admit he wrote for CATO - right? MaggieD Nov 2015 #150
He wrote two articles Mnpaul Nov 2015 #153
why are opinions from far right wing propaganda organs allowed at du? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #73
Vox is not a right wing propaganda organ MaggieD Nov 2015 #74
Vox is not the author of the article, Timothy Lee is and he's the libertarian from Cato.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #80
Glenn Greenwald worked for CATO MaggieD Nov 2015 #127
Why do you think Greenwald is some free pass for you? I'm not Greenwald, nor do I cite him. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #170
Either because people don't alert on them, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #99
Are you fucking kidding me with this shit? Hiraeth Nov 2015 #87
Would you like to make an actual argument MaggieD Nov 2015 #102
MaggieD apparently didn't do her homework Weidman Nov 2015 #91
Vox is a liberal site MaggieD Nov 2015 #105
Author is more important than some site. Weidman Nov 2015 #116
So then why did a post praising Glenn Greenwald MaggieD Nov 2015 #122
What's with this theory among Clinton supporters that their actions are mitigated by the actions Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #167
Another virtual self-sharting with this OP whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #92
Let me summarize this thread MaggieD Nov 2015 #101
No you missed the forest for the trees Armstead Nov 2015 #112
I would venture to bet.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #119
Businesses are going to do that anyway Armstead Nov 2015 #125
That has nothing to do with $12 versus $15 MaggieD Nov 2015 #129
You mentioned it. Armstead Nov 2015 #130
Have you ever been to Puerto Rico? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #114
Yes, I have, and you are wrong again MaggieD Nov 2015 #126
Timothy Lee's creds included work for CATO. Weidman Nov 2015 #117
So what? MaggieD Nov 2015 #121
It is an editorial. What makes you think it isn't? It's punditry, commentary. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #172
$12.00 makes plenty sense, but that's not a big enough hook oasis Nov 2015 #120
Prescisely.. start out with $12.00 instead of slapping $15 Nationally on every state like they Cha Nov 2015 #133
Bernie's plan phases in the $15 wage over a period of years. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #162
What part of $15 in several years don't you understand? Armstead Nov 2015 #175
15$ an hour is a poverty wage. nilesobek Nov 2015 #140
A minimum wage job is not a career aspiration MaggieD Nov 2015 #142
Not everyone is cut out to be a rising professional. And the idea is to raise overall wages Armstead Nov 2015 #177
Ripple effect would be devistating MichMan Nov 2015 #163
Bernie's plans sound good to those under 30 that don't know political realities JTShroyer Nov 2015 #161
Sanders would like to replace the ACA with medicare for everyone. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #165
We would still have to pay into a fund that upaloopa Nov 2015 #181
It would be tied to income like SS and taxes Armstead Nov 2015 #182
Political Reality? That dog don't hunt. Armstead Nov 2015 #178
perhaps $250 resorts in Puerto Rico can raise prices a little more to cover a living wage Sunlei Nov 2015 #166
That's what this is about, businesses that extract excess profits from low wage labor Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #171
Our Gov. should stop giving Corps the slave wage workers (for profit prison workers & foreign visa Sunlei Nov 2015 #173
Here comes the centrist Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #176
You want an indexed minimum wage? EndElectoral Nov 2015 #184
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