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Then we should provide a permanent basic income to those who can't get work. reformist2 Nov 2015 #1
Total agreement. Wellstone ruled Nov 2015 #3
Why would you work if you could get permanent income for not working? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #7
You wouldn't! That's the point. Give the average citizen real power to bargain with employers. reformist2 Nov 2015 #10
No. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #12
Work gives meaning in life. In our work, we achieve status, we meet goals, we deal with people. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #160
Thank for that insightful rationale. lovemydog Nov 2015 #164
People in the South say that they cannot afford $15 per hour. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #185
And if people are making that as a minimum, lovemydog Nov 2015 #186
Precisely! JDPriestly Nov 2015 #187
Lots of people wouldn't, which is a good thing Recursion Nov 2015 #52
There still is this puritanical belief that everyone needs to work. Old beliefs die hard. reformist2 Nov 2015 #83
Wealth is created such as in manufacturing upaloopa Nov 2015 #179
We embrace the thrust of Reagans 'welfare queens' now? JackInGreen Nov 2015 #108
Because most people want more than just basic food and shelter. Matariki Nov 2015 #118
Standard right wing claptrap AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #144
We have extended unemployment benefits MaggieD Nov 2015 #23
We're not really covered. Workers are stil vulernable, likely to take whatever they can get. We need reformist2 Nov 2015 #35
$12 per hour is just right MaggieD Nov 2015 #96
We get ripped off by insurance companies and predatory college loans AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #145
I hear there are flights to Denmark everyday MaggieD Nov 2015 #146
Well.. AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #149
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #174
I love seeing Republican arguments made on DU Armstead Nov 2015 #2
No shit. TM99 Nov 2015 #5
The author of the Vox piece is a former Cato Institute guy, that's the Koch Bros outfit.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #19
For real? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #55
Oh yeah. Koch-o-Rama. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #61
So what do you think of Glenn Greewald's screeds about Hillary? MaggieD Nov 2015 #65
No one is against raising it. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #8
You're correct....Just remember... Armstead Nov 2015 #11
The cost of living varies widely from place to place. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #13
Not the basics...and many variables within areas Armstead Nov 2015 #16
Again, wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #67
I guess I don't know anything about my own hometown because I'm so Extreme Armstead Nov 2015 #88
2015 California minimum wage $9/hr. Washington 9.47/hr. tennessee 7.25/hr neverforget Nov 2015 #95
A $12 federal wage is the right number MaggieD Nov 2015 #97
Fascinating that you beleive a $15 minimum wage is "extremism." Scootaloo Nov 2015 #159
+1. Bonus points if it's mischaracterized as "adult thinking". n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #14
Couple of things on those points..... MaggieD Nov 2015 #27
My objective is to point out what I said -- And the author is a CATO Libertarian Armstead Nov 2015 #44
No, the author is NOT a CATO libertarian MaggieD Nov 2015 #60
Incorrect, he was first a staff writer at Cato, then later an adjunct scholar at Cato. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #64
He worked for Ezra Klien and now with Yglesias MaggieD Nov 2015 #69
Obviously I know who he is, you left his by line out of your OP, I named him and offered his CV to Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #168
Probably because He's a Cato Institute contributor? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #70
I seem to remember that was fine when it was Glenn Greenwald MaggieD Nov 2015 #109
Glenn Greenwald wasn't trying to sell policy to shortchange workers Scootaloo Nov 2015 #110
So CATO is okay if the post comes from the Bernie peeps? MaggieD Nov 2015 #123
It's pretty simple Scootaloo Nov 2015 #131
So CATO is okay if you agree with it? MaggieD Nov 2015 #135
You were just arguing that Lee was not affiliated with CATO Scootaloo Nov 2015 #136
He's not, but I'm just trying to figure out your reasoning MaggieD Nov 2015 #147
I've explained thorough. I'm not sure what your difficulty is Scootaloo Nov 2015 #151
Your explanation makes no sense MaggieD Nov 2015 #152
Which thread was it, first of all? Let's see it, por favor Scootaloo Nov 2015 #154
It's linked here MaggieD Nov 2015 #155
I don't feel like scrolling through this whole thread to do your work for you. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #156
He's a senior editor at Vox - liberal blog MaggieD Nov 2015 #157
Pardon me, but... Scootaloo Nov 2015 #158
That some think business owners are entitled to cheap labor is quite laughable... AOR Nov 2015 #47
+1 kristopher Nov 2015 #59
And labor couldn't exist without capital investment MaggieD Nov 2015 #63
Labor existed long before "capital investment"... AOR Nov 2015 #89
Link? MaggieD Nov 2015 #98
At some point far enough back in history there was no capital but there has always been labor Fumesucker Nov 2015 #107
Again, wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #113
Where did the capital come from? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #115
It's starts from the business owner MaggieD Nov 2015 #124
Alley Oop finds a nice piece of flint on the ground and knaps a Clovis point from it Fumesucker Nov 2015 #132
But no workers gets paid until Alley makes a bunch himself and sells them MaggieD Nov 2015 #134
You're deeply embarrassing yourself... AOR Nov 2015 #138
Again you're wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #139
LOL...you made the statement that labor can't exist without "capital investment"... AOR Nov 2015 #141
No, I responded to a statement that labor wages come first MaggieD Nov 2015 #143
Lincoln would disagree with your ridiculous assertion Oilwellian Nov 2015 #180
Lincoln didn't say that MaggieD Nov 2015 #183
Where do you learn your economics? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #137
don't worry. she'll get another time out soon Doctor_J Nov 2015 #66
Yes, a lot times it goes way beyond feel good sound bytes.. and this isn't a goppoint of view. Cha Nov 2015 #4
Okay...Some people think it feels good to have a roof over their heads and 3 squares a day Armstead Nov 2015 #6
It's always a good thing to know who stands with capital over labor and business as usual... AOR Nov 2015 #17
Please note who the author of the piece was Armstead Nov 2015 #22
Never seen a GOPer in favor of raising min wage to $12 MaggieD Nov 2015 #39
Exaclty.. just more misinformation to prop up BS and attempt to tear down Hill. Cha Nov 2015 #45
Some people care about more than the Battle of the Candidates Armstead Nov 2015 #100
No, you're right - Neoliberalism is a bipartisan philosophy Scootaloo Nov 2015 #58
KICK! Thank you, Maggie! Cha Nov 2015 #9
If the minimum wage kept UglyGreed Nov 2015 #15
Lucky for you Dems support increasing it MaggieD Nov 2015 #41
Yes MichMan Nov 2015 #111
What a stark admission of conservatism this is. The author of the Vox piece is a Cato Institute guy Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #18
Oh good catch. Armstead Nov 2015 #21
And quoting Reihan Morshed Salam, the editor of the National Review. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #26
So then why is the anti-Hillary Glenn Greenwald stuff okay? MaggieD Nov 2015 #36
When I post some of his stuff you can come whine to me then, I don't so I'm pointing out that your Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #46
GOP libertarian talking points!!!! UglyGreed Nov 2015 #20
It's nuts, isn't it? RobertEarl Nov 2015 #24
I was being sarcastic UglyGreed Nov 2015 #33
I know you were RobertEarl Nov 2015 #53
Thanks UglyGreed Nov 2015 #62
FYI Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #25
It's okay to call a lifetime Democrat a republican, or GOPer or whatever MaggieD Nov 2015 #29
when you post right wing talking points you takes your chances. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #32
Ayup! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #40
I saw a hotair post today by a Bernie supporter MaggieD Nov 2015 #48
Well your OP touts a Koch brother loving GOP libertarian straight out of the Cato playpen, so Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #57
Vox is a liberal site MaggieD Nov 2015 #72
I'm the person who pointed out his roots and resume, linked to his bio, and first named him in Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #85
Again, wrong MaggieD Nov 2015 #103
It's a conspiracy to silence good Clinton supporters Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #94
Pathetic TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #30
They are out to get me UglyGreed Nov 2015 #43
Go look at my other thread UglyGreed Nov 2015 #50
So then we can discount ANYTHING Glenn Greenwald says.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #42
If Glenn Greenwald is writing rightwing economics articles go ahead and call it out Armstead Nov 2015 #54
But Alan Krueger, the co-author of that famous fast food employment study and a former adviser to Cha Nov 2015 #28
HaHa.. some anonymous poster on here asks if you're a "koch bro operative"!!!!!!1111111 and it Cha Nov 2015 #31
The op is a libertarian hit piece on a Democratic candidate. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #37
Unbelievable ... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #79
This thread is full of win! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #84
!!! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #86
Seems odd you're ignoring the facts in the article MaggieD Nov 2015 #104
That's because the editorial the OP cites is by a Koch trained Cato Institute flack. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #51
You know, if we had a single payer healthcare system that was not tied to employment, PatrickforO Nov 2015 #34
Republicanspeak Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #38
Earlier you claimed he wanted to "immediately jump" to $15/hr now you're posting libertarian screeds beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #49
It becomes clearer: why the 'H' arrow points to the right. n/t earthside Nov 2015 #56
Hot Links to Cato Institute podcasts by the author for you Mags, since you are such a fan.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #68
LMAO! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #71
She touts right wing anti minimum wage attacks on a Democratic candidate then gets cheesed off Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #75
It's a conspiracy! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #76
Tell me which republican supports a $12 min wage MaggieD Nov 2015 #78
Show me where in that editorial the author says HE supports a $12 minimum. He does not. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #90
The article is not an editorial MaggieD Nov 2015 #106
It is punditry, an editorial with a strong point of view against living wages. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #169
Is that the New Normal template? Slightly better than Republicans? Armstead Nov 2015 #93
Oh noes... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #81
There are two podcasts - neither of them seem libertarian MaggieD Nov 2015 #77
Ezra and Matthew did not write this, Mags. Timothy Lee of Cato Institute wrote this. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #82
Glenn Greenwald worked for CATO MaggieD Nov 2015 #128
No he didn't Mnpaul Nov 2015 #148
So you admit he wrote for CATO - right? MaggieD Nov 2015 #150
He wrote two articles Mnpaul Nov 2015 #153
why are opinions from far right wing propaganda organs allowed at du? Doctor_J Nov 2015 #73
Vox is not a right wing propaganda organ MaggieD Nov 2015 #74
Vox is not the author of the article, Timothy Lee is and he's the libertarian from Cato.... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #80
Glenn Greenwald worked for CATO MaggieD Nov 2015 #127
Why do you think Greenwald is some free pass for you? I'm not Greenwald, nor do I cite him. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #170
Either because people don't alert on them, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #99
Are you fucking kidding me with this shit? Hiraeth Nov 2015 #87
Would you like to make an actual argument MaggieD Nov 2015 #102
MaggieD apparently didn't do her homework Weidman Nov 2015 #91
Vox is a liberal site MaggieD Nov 2015 #105
Author is more important than some site. Weidman Nov 2015 #116
So then why did a post praising Glenn Greenwald MaggieD Nov 2015 #122
What's with this theory among Clinton supporters that their actions are mitigated by the actions Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #167
Another virtual self-sharting with this OP whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #92
Let me summarize this thread MaggieD Nov 2015 #101
No you missed the forest for the trees Armstead Nov 2015 #112
I would venture to bet.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #119
Businesses are going to do that anyway Armstead Nov 2015 #125
That has nothing to do with $12 versus $15 MaggieD Nov 2015 #129
You mentioned it. Armstead Nov 2015 #130
Have you ever been to Puerto Rico? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #114
Yes, I have, and you are wrong again MaggieD Nov 2015 #126
Timothy Lee's creds included work for CATO. Weidman Nov 2015 #117
So what? MaggieD Nov 2015 #121
It is an editorial. What makes you think it isn't? It's punditry, commentary. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #172
$12.00 makes plenty sense, but that's not a big enough hook oasis Nov 2015 #120
Prescisely.. start out with $12.00 instead of slapping $15 Nationally on every state like they Cha Nov 2015 #133
Bernie's plan phases in the $15 wage over a period of years. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #162
What part of $15 in several years don't you understand? Armstead Nov 2015 #175
15$ an hour is a poverty wage. nilesobek Nov 2015 #140
A minimum wage job is not a career aspiration MaggieD Nov 2015 #142
Not everyone is cut out to be a rising professional. And the idea is to raise overall wages Armstead Nov 2015 #177
Ripple effect would be devistating MichMan Nov 2015 #163
Bernie's plans sound good to those under 30 that don't know political realities JTShroyer Nov 2015 #161
Sanders would like to replace the ACA with medicare for everyone. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #165
We would still have to pay into a fund that upaloopa Nov 2015 #181
It would be tied to income like SS and taxes Armstead Nov 2015 #182
Political Reality? That dog don't hunt. Armstead Nov 2015 #178
perhaps $250 resorts in Puerto Rico can raise prices a little more to cover a living wage Sunlei Nov 2015 #166
That's what this is about, businesses that extract excess profits from low wage labor Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #171
Our Gov. should stop giving Corps the slave wage workers (for profit prison workers & foreign visa Sunlei Nov 2015 #173
Here comes the centrist Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #176
You want an indexed minimum wage? EndElectoral Nov 2015 #184
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