Clueless. Republicans were against big government as soon as FDR got the Supreme Court (Reply #15)

In the discussion thread: Salon: "America has never recovered from Ronald Reagan. That’s why Bernie Sanders is so important." [View all]

Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:34 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

15. Clueless. Republicans were against big government as soon as FDR got the Supreme Court

to stop voiding his legislation by expanding the SCOTUS interpretation of the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare clause.* And Barry Goldwater preceded Reagan.

Apart from that nothing in my post suggests Reagan was blameless. That's your straw person and your attempt to deflect. My post is about the lack of effort to reverse the Reagan effect, rather than, if anything, doubling down on it.

Any pretense that the situation today, 23 years after he left office, is his fault and no one else's, is both laughable and dangerous. However, I can certainly understand your wanting to ignore the past 23 years by deflecting from the present back to Reagain, 23-31 years ago.

*ETA For all I know Republicans were against "big government" the minute government took a dollar in taxes from them. This post is only what I know off the top of my head.

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Salon: "America has never recovered from Ronald Reagan. That’s why Bernie Sanders is so important." [View all]	Attorney in Texas	Nov 2015	OP
This is so true:	sabrina 1	Nov 2015	#1
Not true: Hillary is the heir to FDR, not Sanders	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#42
heh...good one, lewebley3!	tex-wyo-dem	Nov 2015	#44
FDR was practical politician and leader of Dem's: Like Hillary	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#49
Well, that is true. FDR was quintessential paternalistic	Hortensis	Nov 2015	#56
FDR was rich and one of the nation leading families: Hillary while not rich	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#58
You are right -- Hillary is self made by her own long, hard work	Hortensis	Nov 2015	#70
FDR supported regulating the super wealthy and Glass-Steigall. Clinton	rhett o rick	Nov 2015	#63
FDR only put Steigall after the crash: Hillary is plan is stronger than steigall	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#66
Her plan? Oh, right her "plan". Are you interested in some water front in the Everglades? nm	rhett o rick	Nov 2015	#69
You didn't listen to the Debate: You only listen to Sanders	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#82
Clinton has praised Reagan. She has supported his actions to cut Social Security. nm	rhett o rick	Nov 2015	#61
The Clinton's were in office they didn't cut SS: Hillary is a loyal Dem:	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#78
Hillary is the heir to FDR, if by FDR you mean 'For Dear Richfolks'!	peacebird	Nov 2015	#62
If Hillary were for the rich: She wouldn't be a Dem: Nor worked in public ser	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#67
Have patience, she's working on it! Think how much higher her speaking fees will be if she is nom!	peacebird	Nov 2015	#68
So a net worth of $50 million is not rich?	Art_from_Ark	Nov 2015	#72
Hillary net worth is chump change compared to the GOP: Also she earned her	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#80
FDR was a" rich folk": Hillary is heir to Dem party: She is a smart politician	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#76
That's a joke. New Democrats like Hillary took the name "New Democrats" precisely to disassociate	merrily	Nov 2015	#74
Hillary is an old Dem, and much longer than Sanders	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#75
Um, She and her husband help start the New Democrats. Lapse of time has nothing to do with it.	merrily	Nov 2015	#77
Sorry the Dem party didn't start with the Clintons: Its was the same party old Party	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#79
Quite so: it is no coincidence that those who espouse radical corporatism	Betty Karlson	Nov 2015	#57
I can't anymore. I just can't. Reagan was in office 8 years, which 8 years	merrily	Nov 2015	#2
I thought that Democrats, voters I mean, had realized this. I still think they do, but they	sabrina 1	Nov 2015	#4
Agree. We are incredibly fortunate to have an opportunity for a sea change in favor or	merrily	Nov 2015	#6
If they are WILLING to miss this opportunity, then they don't matter. Far more	sabrina 1	Nov 2015	#7
Indeed, Sanders is a wise man. Good judgment and prescience as well.	merrily	Nov 2015	#11
Thatis right most American's don't want a sea Change: They want Good Change	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#43
Yea the status quo?	daleanime	Nov 2015	#59
Wrong: Most American's want a good future: not quo	lewebley3	Nov 2015	#81
Most Americans have spoken for themselves That is why Bernie is doing so well, he	sabrina 1	Nov 2015	#60
He was the one who turned the Rethug party against ALL government.	pnwmom	Nov 2015	#14
Clueless. Republicans were against big government as soon as FDR got the Supreme Court	merrily	Nov 2015	#15
You sure love to put words into other people's mouths. It's how you convince yourself	pnwmom	Nov 2015	#25
This is what you said. It had nothing to do with my Reply 2, which never claimed Reagan	merrily	Nov 2015	#33
The solution Bernie has to solve the root problem that most of our problems	Dustlawyer	Nov 2015	#22
Do you know a period in American history when America was not an oligarchy?	merrily	Nov 2015	#36
Actually Reagan was out of office in 1988	FreakinDJ	Nov 2015	#27
Thanks! I'll fix.	merrily	Nov 2015	#32
Reagan's 2nd term ended on January 20, 1989.	Art_from_Ark	Nov 2015	#73
You are quite correct	Hydra	Nov 2015	#34
Whatever the cause, both Parties participated. Our knee jerk insistence on	merrily	Nov 2015	#35
Bullshit	azureblue	Nov 2015	#46
I don't care if he blew up the Capitol building. He's been out of office 27 years.	merrily	Nov 2015	#71
Wow, Obama doesnt want us to recover	randys1	Nov 2015	#51
K&R - "Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid were all once labeled socialist and aggressively opposed	99th_Monkey	Nov 2015	#3
But FDR presided in the 40's when	azmom	Nov 2015	#5
Well, he chose his battles, and did not want to fight that one. That's why we're	PatrickforO	Nov 2015	#8
Besides that FDR was an old white guy too. -nt-	99th_Monkey	Nov 2015	#10
Yep!	azmom	Nov 2015	#17
When he took office, the nation was just about belly up. Then there was Hitler.	merrily	Nov 2015	#12
K and freaking R!! A must read! nt	riderinthestorm	Nov 2015	#9
Excellent OP. Absolutely true.	senz	Nov 2015	#13
piss on you, trickle down economy has been proven..twice now..	DianeK	Nov 2015	#16
Don't quite understand - what economy has been proven	jwirr	Nov 2015	#50
K and R...	mike dub	Nov 2015	#18
Reagan must have been bestest buds with Louis Powell (the bell ringer of the racist reich).	Dont call me Shirley	Nov 2015	#19
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!	WillyT	Nov 2015	#20
K&R	CharlotteVale	Nov 2015	#21
Damned straight.	AzDar	Nov 2015	#23
Yup. Well said.	zentrum	Nov 2015	#24
America has never recovered from Ronald Reagan but	moobu2	Nov 2015	#26
No offense, but we don't believe that scenario at all.	artislife	Nov 2015	#28
Eh? Why's that?	d_legendary1	Nov 2015	#29
You said the same thing about Obama in the 2008 primary. How'd that turn out?	jeff47	Nov 2015	#30
Ouch!	Attorney in Texas	Nov 2015	#41
Head-to-head polling shows Rubio crushing Clinton. I prefer Sanders' chances in November.	Attorney in Texas	Nov 2015	#38
Nationwide polls of both parties show this?	randys1	Nov 2015	#53
Alrighty Then	bahrbearian	Nov 2015	#47
Boy, do I ever agree with that!	Hepburn	Nov 2015	#31
Yup, Saint Ronnie could do no wrong, according to many Republicans.	Major Hogwash	Nov 2015	#45
Let's not forget the Democratic left enabled Reagan's 1980 election	Zorro	Nov 2015	#37
Ronnie Caused Incalculable Damage	colsohlibgal	Nov 2015	#39
Sanders is polling higher than any FDR style-Democrat in my lifetime.	Attorney in Texas	Nov 2015	#40
Exact-A-Mundo	Duckfan	Nov 2015	#48
When it came to social programs Eisenhower was a mixed	jwirr	Nov 2015	#55
Kicketty Kickin'	Faux pas	Nov 2015	#52
Kick	deutsey	Nov 2015	#54
And LET HIS WORDS Be Heard! UNFORTUNATELY	ChiciB1	Nov 2015	#64
In my view	abakan	Nov 2015	#65

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