2016 Postmortem

raouldukelives

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28. Trump is the natural extension of having no real left in this country.

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:32 AM

Dec 2015

Our ever rightward shift is now allowing full blown fascism to take root in our corporate conservative wonderland.

Just as shareholders have helped shape democracies around the world for a century, they are now using all they own to shape our own.

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Hillary Clinton's Ghosts: A Legacy of Pushing the Democratic Party to the Right [View all] stupidicus Dec 2015 OP

The facts are there but you have to look for them yourself tularetom Dec 2015 #1

Wrong Hillary has been loyal Dem liberal:before there was the word progressive lewebley3 Dec 2015 #2

so she's actually one of the undead, animated before the word "progressive" was found by Webster? stupidicus Dec 2015 #5

It still stands that Hillary is a progressive, she has helped lead the Dem party lewebley3 Dec 2015 #8

rightward. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #30

No, she has lead the party with to largest progressive caucus in House; She is a real leader lewebley3 Dec 2015 #31

Jamie Dimon agrees with you. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #32

Hillary's progressive credentials are on the Web today: It demonstrates that lewebley3 Dec 2015 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author ViseGrip Dec 2015 #63

Jamie Dimon is a great example!!! ViseGrip Dec 2015 #64

Hillary is not a liberal. cui bono Dec 2015 #27

Hillary very much a liberal, and liberal who just doen't talk; She works lewebley3 Dec 2015 #29

A lot of people work, doesn't make them liberal. She's not a liberal. cui bono Dec 2015 #35

Yes, Sanders didn't work for the party: He didn't get things done: He's a talker lewebley3 Dec 2015 #50

Complete bullshit. And Hillary is not a liberal. cui bono Dec 2015 #51

Hillary has been a liberal, and the Clintons presented liberal buggget lewebley3 Dec 2015 #52

Hillary is not a liberal. cui bono Dec 2015 #53

Hillary very much a liberal, most of the Progressive Senators are supporting her lewebley3 Dec 2015 #54

That does not make her a liberal. Hillary is not a liberal. cui bono Dec 2015 #55

So I guess someone who SUPPORTS Clinton isn't a liberal either? brooklynite Dec 2015 #56

Who said that? cui bono Dec 2015 #57

What makes Hillary a liberal is her work, and her history lewebley3 Dec 2015 #58

No. That is exactly what makes her a centrist. cui bono Dec 2015 #60

Sanders supporters are the only ones telling this falsehood: HIllary is a Dem lewebley3 Dec 2015 #62

Being a Dem has nothing to do with being liberal. Hillary is not a liberal. cui bono Dec 2015 #65

The Dem party is the liberal party; If Hillary were a GOP person she would right wring lewebley3 Dec 2015 #70

No, the Dem Party is no longer liberal. Hillary is not a liberal. cui bono Dec 2015 #72

According to whom: is the Dem party not liberal: Bernie is a loser like Mondale lewebley3 Dec 2015 #73

According to everyone who pays attention to politics. Both parties have shifted rightward. cui bono Dec 2015 #75

Hillary is still working for all the American people: She not like the GOP lewebley3 Dec 2015 #79

Exactly. "She like the GOP". n/t cui bono Dec 2015 #80

Yes, but he IS a true liberal whereas Hillary is not. Hepburn Dec 2015 #67

Hillary is only loyal to Hillary. Hepburn Dec 2015 #66

Hillary is loyal to the American people and the Dem party lewebley3 Dec 2015 #69

When donkeys fly. Hepburn Dec 2015 #71

Yep. 840high Dec 2015 #77

no doubt stupidicus Dec 2015 #3

yup. any progressive rhetoric she's engaged in ibegurpard Dec 2015 #4

you know it stupidicus Dec 2015 #6

Her current stance on the TPP and other 'Progressive' positions do not bear close examination: LongTomH Dec 2015 #7

so very true stupidicus Dec 2015 #10

Clinton's worldview is stuck in the 1990-ies. eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #9

and the failed experiment it was stupidicus Dec 2015 #11

her friends in The Family include Gustavo Alvarez Martinez MisterP Dec 2015 #12

Do facts even matter to Bernie supporters? MaggieD Dec 2015 #13

Why can't they see it? Honestly, I really would like to know. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #14

Um, because many people are intelligent and know it's not true MaggieD Dec 2015 #15

From your link - Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #16

So you agree the OP is objectively untrue? MaggieD Dec 2015 #17

No, I don't. Perhaps pushing isn't the right word? Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #18

That has nothing to do with Hillary MaggieD Dec 2015 #19

Well, you don't have to be socialist to think this is nuts: Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #20

You want me to explain some idiot at Truthouts opinion? MaggieD Dec 2015 #21

Nevermind Truthout - Care to explain? Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #22

Who cares? MaggieD Dec 2015 #23

And there ya have it - I tried. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #24

I'm sorry - I just can't take that seriously MaggieD Dec 2015 #25

Alrighty, the ol' college try - Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #26

On a spectrum that doesn't include many liberals so it is skewed. cui bono Dec 2015 #36

This is the senate - the "spectrum" is as wide as it is country-wide MaggieD Dec 2015 #37

You didn't address what I said at all. cui bono Dec 2015 #38

It included over 55 Dems. MaggieD Dec 2015 #39

How so? It's still a spectrum. cui bono Dec 2015 #40

Pretty Simple - 89% of the Senate was LESS liberal than Hillary MaggieD Dec 2015 #42

Where do you think she stands compared to Obama? Would you agree very similar? cui bono Dec 2015 #44

He was rated 23rd most liberal MaggieD Dec 2015 #45

Well that proves how wrong those ratings are. cui bono Dec 2015 #61

I'd guess the reasons are many and vary stupidicus Dec 2015 #34

Trump is the natural extension of having no real left in this country. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #28

good points stupidicus Dec 2015 #33

_that_ truth hurts - be thankful that some small ($) force is pulling back… it's all we got for now. Agony Dec 2015 #48

Ban flag burning? That's right out of the Richard Nixon play book. jalan48 Dec 2015 #41

Yup artislife Dec 2015 #59

When they say 'pragmatism' they are talking about capitulation' AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #43

that would be a safe bet, or better descriptor stupidicus Dec 2015 #47

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #46

kick! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #68

"adopted the DLC strategy"? She was DLC President! In that row she likely recruited neo-con Dems.nt ieoeja Dec 2015 #74

There are votes which line up with the RW such as gun issues and this is Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #76

K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #78