Three little facts to reduce your mystification. (Reply #111)

In the discussion thread: Clinton's opposition to the TPP is insulting [View all]

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:18 AM

senz (11,945 posts)

111. Three little facts to reduce your mystification.

1. This is a democracy. We are voters. We have a right and a duty to choose, to accept and to reject.

2. This is the primary. This is where we compare and contrast, weigh and measure. Candidates come out ahead or behind in these comparisons.

3. It is doubtful that the entire country is reading DU.

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194 replies	Author	Time	Post
Clinton's opposition to the TPP is insulting [View all]	cali	Dec 2015	OP
A very compelling case you make	99th_Monkey	Dec 2015	#1
I don't think unions are naive.	cali	Dec 2015	#2
It's entirely possible that Union leadership is every bit as corrupt as Hillary. [n/t]	Maedhros	Dec 2015	#5
Or, this may actually be a stroke of brilliance!	Bubzer	Dec 2015	#34
Uh...The TPP will be law long before the election.	jeff47	Dec 2015	#55
Ugh...I hope you're wrong. The TPP needs to be shitcanned	Bubzer	Dec 2015	#112
+100. n/t	whathehell	Dec 2015	#128
Union leadership is just fine: the GOP are corrupt: Hillary	lewebley3	Dec 2015	#177
No compelling case: the OP post is just a Sanders supporter	lewebley3	Dec 2015	#178
BEYOND insulting!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2015	#3
If I remember correctly you were calling Hillary out	upaloopa	Dec 2015	#4
Why yes, I didn't imagine she'd be so shamelessly cynical	cali	Dec 2015	#8
Never let facts get in the way of your spittle-flecked hatred, do you?	ConservativeDemocrat	Dec 2015	#149
You want "Reality"?	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#159
You seem to imagine that Obama is on the "economic right"	ConservativeDemocrat	Dec 2015	#181
Absurd	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#187
Yes, you're being absurd	ConservativeDemocrat	Dec 2015	#188
Yeah...	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#189
I can spend months looking to buy a house...	ConservativeDemocrat	Dec 2015	#190
So...	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#191
Wow indeed, what a word salad from you	ConservativeDemocrat	Dec 2015	#192
A few hints:	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#193
Okay, so basically you got nothing	ConservativeDemocrat	Dec 2015	#194
We've been through this before... Did I "really want" NAFTA being "renegotiated"...	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#166
Really, cali? Going for hides already? You like sitting in the corner?	randome	Dec 2015	#168
Please don't hide Cali!	Amimnoch	Dec 2015	#179
Don't we all! That includes you, loops. nm	floriduck	Dec 2015	#26
So much for that prediction	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#31
It makes no difference to some people what she says because they have their agenda.	AlbertCat	Dec 2015	#39
She's a weathervane. If she wins the nomination she'll flip flop again.	beam me up scottie	Dec 2015	#64
Exactly	liberalmike27	Dec 2015	#130
It's just Hillary being Hillary.	Paka	Dec 2015	#6
...+1	840high	Dec 2015	#22
Welcome back!	arcane1	Dec 2015	#7
welcome back	ibegurpard	Dec 2015	#9
I did not know there was	UglyGreed	Dec 2015	#11
Why would you need to?	brooklynite	Dec 2015	#141
I don't believe I've	UglyGreed	Dec 2015	#165
Trade agreements support millions of US jobs and contribute to GDP.	JaneyVee	Dec 2015	#10
ones that stay in this country?	ibegurpard	Dec 2015	#12
America has won every single tribunal, and...	JaneyVee	Dec 2015	#17
Free Trade agreements are anti-incentives to keep jobs here	Armstead	Dec 2015	#92
A decade of negotiation...	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#96
A lot more to it than that	Armstead	Dec 2015	#122
haha	DonCoquixote	Dec 2015	#113
Almost. We lost the "what is a catfish?" fight against Vietnam	Recursion	Dec 2015	#118
You misunderstand	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#161
Yes--in China n/t	eridani	Dec 2015	#116
Why am I not surprised to see you support the TPP which kills American jobs. In fact they	rhett o rick	Dec 2015	#180
You need to read her book - as I have told you before	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#13
Some Hillary quotes about TPP	Art_from_Ark	Dec 2015	#19
You should have read her book....	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#21
If she had had so much skepticism about it so long ago,	Art_from_Ark	Dec 2015	#23
She did - you just weren't paying attention	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#30
Oh, for crying out loud	Art_from_Ark	Dec 2015	#36
In case know one ever says it...	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#37
the Hillary Haters!	AlbertCat	Dec 2015	#49
Look at this OP...	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#61
Look at this OP...	AlbertCat	Dec 2015	#63
The truth is not a form of hate.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2015	#78
Repetitive innuendo and speculation,	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#86
Not hardly.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2015	#89
You mean like every time you see an enormous and garish BERNIE meme on a post...	Nitram	Dec 2015	#123
Thanks	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#52
Haters just have to hate Maggie	philosslayer	Dec 2015	#50
That's the problem with letting emotions overtake you in politics	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#54
I think the fact is that	nyabingi	Dec 2015	#147
So why has she voted against trade bills in the past?	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#148
She may have voted against them in the past	nyabingi	Dec 2015	#150
She was conditionally supportive of it if it contained the right criteria	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#152
That would be like conditionally supporting slavery when it was legal if it had free schooling...	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#167
MaggieD, your messages about Hillary are always welcome. However I feel	asjr	Dec 2015	#137
I'll tell you one more thing	Art_from_Ark	Dec 2015	#24
You should have read her book....	AlbertCat	Dec 2015	#40
The charge seems to be she is new to this idea	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#41
she has been saying the same things about trade for 15 years.	AlbertCat	Dec 2015	#42
She writes her own books	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#43
She writes her own books	AlbertCat	Dec 2015	#46
Well you asked - and her editor says she writes her own books	MaggieD	Dec 2015	#57
She has changed her mind 4 times since she wrote her book.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2015	#79
These agreements are inherently bad	Armstead	Dec 2015	#93
Precisely. That is the biggest problem with NAFTA & the TPP.	senz	Dec 2015	#100
Great to see you Cali. Your voice was missed here on DU.	jalan48	Dec 2015	#14
Nice to see you back!	tazkcmo	Dec 2015	#15
It just can't be!	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#16
as i've argued it from the beginning, she's closer to the repubs	stupidicus	Dec 2015	#18
Yes I would like to hear that too. nt	navarth	Dec 2015	#160
....	in_cog_ni_to	Dec 2015	#20
You are absolutely RIGHT about this. And you have stated it perfectly.	CaliforniaPeggy	Dec 2015	#28
Thank you, CaliforniaPeggy.	in_cog_ni_to	Dec 2015	#62
Yup… the last time I voted for Hillary	Agony	Dec 2015	#82
Anyone who believes Hillary on this	Broward	Dec 2015	#25
Love is blind.	Spitfire of ATJ	Dec 2015	#32
I am so happy you are back. Your insight and voice were missed deeply.	Autumn	Dec 2015	#27
I think large numbers of us consider her a joke.	Doctor_J	Dec 2015	#29
Huge +1!	Enthusiast	Dec 2015	#120
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!	WillyT	Dec 2015	#33
Very good.	MuseRider	Dec 2015	#35
Hillary Ingested Shrooms Prior to Statement Opposing TPP	LS_Editor	Dec 2015	#38
From the debate that she delivered this lie:	Jarqui	Dec 2015	#44
She's evolved into the Master Class of CYA politics. K&R and welcome back.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2015	#45
I guess as the Bern continues to fade....	philosslayer	Dec 2015	#47
Don't even care about the issue?	senz	Dec 2015	#103
I'm more mystified as to why some here want to weaken the Dem nominee	philosslayer	Dec 2015	#110
Three little facts to reduce your mystification.	senz	Dec 2015	#111
we don't have a Dem nominee yet	ibegurpard	Dec 2015	#115
I'm more mystified as to why some here think we have a Dem nominee	Autumn	Dec 2015	#129
Actually, hundreds of votes have been cast.	philosslayer	Dec 2015	#131
You know superdelgates are not binding, they are free to vote for any candidate they wish at the	Autumn	Dec 2015	#134
I'll bookmark this post for reading in March.	philosslayer	Dec 2015	#135
That's the point. Should something happen as it did in 2008	Autumn	Dec 2015	#136
You're missing the point	philosslayer	Dec 2015	#138
No I'm not missing anything. nt	Autumn	Dec 2015	#142
See you in March	philosslayer	Dec 2015	#145
Sanders is not "once in a lifetime," he is unique!	immoderate	Dec 2015	#157
Bernie Sanders not a "once in a lifetime" candidate? Many of us want another FDR...	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#169
I've never returned to a full time job after NAFTA	Phlem	Dec 2015	#48
As long as the others	UglyGreed	Dec 2015	#53
Exactly.	Phlem	Dec 2015	#56
N/P	UglyGreed	Dec 2015	#66
CALI!	hootinholler	Dec 2015	#51
k&r/Hey Cali! Welcome back.	AtomicKitten	Dec 2015	#58
Some cannot grasp that those who oppose Hillary don't 'hate' her personally... it's the obvious	AzDar	Dec 2015	#59
When I call someone a LIAR...	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#65
I have a cousin who is a pathological liar... I don't hate her, but I don't fucking trust her.	AzDar	Dec 2015	#67
I'm sure your cousin...	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#76
Look... if Hillary gets upset about being labelled a "liar", perhaps she shouldn't lie. But she does	AzDar	Dec 2015	#88
And here I thought it was a Democracy.	Phlem	Dec 2015	#71
K&R!!!!	Phlem	Dec 2015	#60
Not the Gold Standard, says Bernie	gordyfl	Dec 2015	#68
Does he mention what is the gold standard?	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#70
your right wing is showing.	Phlem	Dec 2015	#73
Right wing is thinking you can negotiate a trade deal...	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#77
Sorry, I grew up in the Philippines under Marcus	Phlem	Dec 2015	#81
Not Perfect? Not Even Close...	gordyfl	Dec 2015	#85
Are you scared? Is TPP horrifying?	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#90
"Question everything doesn't apply to just one side!"	Phlem	Dec 2015	#91
You think this Hillary Hate is new and original?	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#94
I liked her just fine until she fought VERY dirty in the 2008 campaign.	senz	Dec 2015	#106
That did it for me, too, senz.	Duval	Dec 2015	#163
I guess you're in what you would call "good company," yallerdog	senz	Dec 2015	#105
YEP!!! Explain WHY MORE Republicans supported TPP than Democrats, huh?	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#170
Welcome back	jfern	Dec 2015	#69
The extra heaping of insulting is she waited until after TPA passed, making the TPP a done deal.	jeff47	Dec 2015	#72
She wants to be a winner.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2015	#80
Yea, my mom was all about herself.	Phlem	Dec 2015	#84
Absolutely. That was the defining vote	cali	Dec 2015	#83
She plays us all for fools and many are proving her right.	Broward	Dec 2015	#87
Unbelievable!	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#97
That sound is the point sailing over your head.	jeff47	Dec 2015	#99
Now, you said, "She waited until after TPA passed, making the TPP a done deal."	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#102
And the point goes further over your head.	jeff47	Dec 2015	#108
So, why should she and we by agreeing with her LOVE taking away the Democrats' ability to filibuster	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#171
TPA was "the filibuster" cloture vote.	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#174
And then WHY did congress NOT KNOW about what was in TPP when they voted on TPA?	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#175
Were you told this or do you make it up?	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#182
Frankly I prefer our CONSTITUTION and OUR court system and not a CORPORATE ISDS court...	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#183
I'm sure other countries wil go along with that!	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#184
So you will like Transcanada suing us for "lost profits" and "giving us 35 jobs"...	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#185
That is pure fiction!	yallerdawg	Dec 2015	#186
K & R	beam me up scottie	Dec 2015	#74
K&R!!!!	Phlem	Dec 2015	#75
K&R.	SixString	Dec 2015	#95
Excellent OP. Thanks for presenting the case for what I've strongly sensed.	senz	Dec 2015	#98
Great summary, but you omitted a couple important facts	Jim Lane	Dec 2015	#101
Thank you, Jim.	cali	Dec 2015	#146
This is what gets me	davidpdx	Dec 2015	#104
And I'm glad you're back.	senz	Dec 2015	#107
Funny, I don't feel insulted.	McCamy Taylor	Dec 2015	#109
One more very good analysis.	Betty Karlson	Dec 2015	#114
Hillary says things when they are convenient to her needs, she is a Convenient Candidate IMO nt	slipslidingaway	Dec 2015	#117
K&R! I think this post should have hundreds of recommendations!	Enthusiast	Dec 2015	#119
Welcome back, cali!	LuvNewcastle	Dec 2015	#121
The candidate of expedience!	retrowire	Dec 2015	#124
I've heard rumors some of the people she most trusts are hedge fund owners.	raouldukelives	Dec 2015	#125
Wish I could rec this	UglyGreed	Dec 2015	#132
K&R Glad you are back. nt	Live and Learn	Dec 2015	#126
Welcome back, cali.	Le Taz Hot	Dec 2015	#127
I no longer pay attention to anything Hillary says.	djean111	Dec 2015	#133
Well she is consistent	SHRED	Dec 2015	#139
Only to those who believe a word she says	Doctor_J	Dec 2015	#140
...and the 56% of Democrats supporting her are...	brooklynite	Dec 2015	#143
So Bernie and O'Malley got outmaneuvered	firebrand80	Dec 2015	#144
Yes, they were maneuvered. Those like Hillary, willing to lie, to not hold to any ethical standard	cali	Dec 2015	#164
"Better" in what context? To win for HER, or provide a better candidate for the American people?	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#172
Difficult to have a conversation here w/o being accused of hating the other candidate	EndElectoral	Dec 2015	#151
Yawn	leftofcool	Dec 2015	#153
Lol.	cali	Dec 2015	#156
K&R - She is lying.	fbc	Dec 2015	#154
No surprise at all	sammythecat	Dec 2015	#155
The real reason	kenfrequed	Dec 2015	#158
I agree. It's that simple and that contemptible.	cali	Dec 2015	#162
All the more reason we need to push for H-1B and other "guest worker" program stances from her now..	cascadiance	Dec 2015	#173
kick...	Segami	Dec 2015	#176

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