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daybranch

(1,309 posts)
60. why do you presume to speak for us old folks?
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 01:47 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie, FDR and Martin Luther King Jr. are all known for their socialistic ideas and policies. So what are your credentials to represent us old folks. When I work with people within the democratic party, local activists primarily, they are mostly old folks and also white and black women primarily. Yet I hear that women voters in Iowa favor Hillary more than two to 1 over Bernie. that is bewildering to me and may be the results of asking women who do not at this point even know who Bernie is, because as I canvas on doors here in Ohio, I first ask everyone if they know who Bernie is. If hey answer affirmatively, this is usually followed by the statement they plan to vote for Bernie. If they answer no, they usually follow with the statement they are not going to vote or they plan to vote for Hillary, it is usually a fairly well off white or black woman. I ask why and their response is usually well wouldn't it be great if we had a woman president for the first time. to me gender bias is running rough shod over examining issue differences, thoughtful analysis, and making well reasoned decisions. I find this rationale and lack of knowledge inconsistent with what I find talking to loyal women activists within the democratic party and women in general. What I believe after working hard as a leader on several successful campaigns for issues and for senatorial candidates here in Ohio, is that women in general are more connected and more knowledgeable and considered more left leaning. All characteristics that I believe work in Bernie's favor as women become more aware.
But to address your conclusion, yes Bernie people know FDR, who implemented the greatest socialist programs in the last 100 years, MLK jr. who was a declared democratic socialist were both democratic socialists. As for Bob Dylan, his prophesies as revealed in his songs which basically challenge rule by the rich oligopoly in support of capitalistic greed define him as a democratic socialist. The friends he had were certainly democratic socialists at the least and often more left wing. The song writers who he says most influenced him were democratic socialists or socialists who were both complaining about the inequities in the system due to capitalistic greed. This is discussed in a book titled Chimes of Freedom : The Politics of Bob Dylan's Art. If you become better informed you can quit decrying that we stole your hero, who judging by everything I find is indeed a democratic socialist, calling out the capitalistic establishment as the problem, a primary theme of the Bernie democratic socialist campaign. So we never stole him, he like many icons was already on the same side as Bernie and now we are just reminding everyone that democratic socialism had been a political philosophy of heroic social figures in our countryon a consistent basis and therefore is not to be condemned. So our view is every time you criticize Bernie as a democratic socialist and then claim as your heroes other democratic socialists and their views as heroic, we just marvel at your apparent unawareness. o yes we claim Bob Dylan, Both of the Guthries, Joan Baez, and John Lennon. They all were much to the left of Hillary and with us the people. Do not let your fears overcome your reasoning, vote for Bernie. He consistently tells the truth as a real friend does even when it painful for you to hear. Your enemies tell you what you want to hear. Go Bernie.

18 million watched that debate. I hope we at least match those numbers yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #1
On a freakin' Saturday :( arcane1 Dec 2015 #2
People will not watch a debate on Saturday evening. It is ridiculous. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #5
Which is, I suspect, the point. arcane1 Dec 2015 #13
The DNC runs a corrupt Rigged game Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #19
Kind of puts dampener on voter enthusiasm in my opinion. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #20
They would rather her lose the general, than not win the primaries AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #32
Superdelegates are paying attention. DhhD Dec 2015 #56
Yea but you have to be on board to get THAT job Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #65
Agree Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #66
It is a waste to hold a Democratic Party on the Saturday just one week before JDPriestly Dec 2015 #34
I have other plans. I will record the debate and watch it at my convenience. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #38
The incompetence is a feature of the system. blackspade Dec 2015 #59
Don't mistake a feature for a bug. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #63
I decided to stop watching all of the debates davidpdx Dec 2015 #37
Her laugh, especially her laugh. It makes my brain cells ache. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #40
Um....I didn't say that davidpdx Dec 2015 #71
Doesn't anybody watch debates afterwards on the many sources that make them available? Nitram Dec 2015 #43
My guess it would generate some limited interest. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #44
that's an odd guess. Nitram Dec 2015 #45
And the last shopping weekend before Christmas. progressoid Dec 2015 #27
The Saturday before Christmas. lob1 Dec 2015 #30
The weekend before Christmas NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #55
...the LAST Saturday before Christmas... bvar22 Dec 2015 #62
They'll be luck if they get 6 million viewers. frylock Dec 2015 #8
Not gonna happen. Which is the plan. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #11
The dnc is hiding Doctor_J Dec 2015 #22
If it's any consolation... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #28
i believe that Iowa takes its responsibility seriously as being the first Primary. The witless DNC libdem4life Dec 2015 #46
Many Iowa Democrats have noticed... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #48
Thanks for the insight. Reminds me of the old Fred Astaire saying...going to have to do a gender libdem4life Dec 2015 #49
I love that comparison... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #50
Hadn't thought of that one in a long time ... all of Dr. Seuss' books were written to appeal, libdem4life Dec 2015 #52
I had to share this. I saw it on FB. CrispyQ Dec 2015 #58
I love that! CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #61
I support Bernie but I also admire Martin O'Malley - I believe he has been denied coverage as well Samantha Dec 2015 #72
If the DNC wanted people to watch the debate they wouldn't have scheduled it on a Saturday. cui bono Dec 2015 #24
I hope you are making a joke. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #39
We don't have to have a debate numbers race. Half of our jwirr Dec 2015 #57
Kickin' with gusto! Faux pas Dec 2015 #3
Way to go Bernie! highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #4
He gets it kenfrequed Dec 2015 #6
And the first one now will later be last For the times they are a-changin' UglyGreed Dec 2015 #7
Off Topic but something I noticed Armstead Dec 2015 #9
Great artist and UglyGreed Dec 2015 #14
Geez first you lay claim to FDR upaloopa Dec 2015 #12
Sorry I don't mean to steal anyone's heroes UglyGreed Dec 2015 #15
What? Lay claim to Dylan? pangaia Dec 2015 #16
Geez someone got up on the wrong side of bed this morning. cui bono Dec 2015 #25
Wow. Just wow. CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #29
Heck you've got Katy Perry...What are you complaining about? Armstead Dec 2015 #33
The first shall be last --- ---- ----- ------ - JDPriestly Dec 2015 #36
As one of the "old folks" I will like any and all liberal "heroes" that I want to. A Simple Game Dec 2015 #42
why do you presume to speak for us old folks? daybranch Dec 2015 #60
Wow! 1964. Dylan singing, but where was he? What location? JDPriestly Dec 2015 #35
Here's the book to get.... mimi85 Dec 2015 #47
Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #67
It was from a Canadian TV show UglyGreed Dec 2015 #54
Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #68
I've got a bootleg of his Canadian performances... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #70
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #10
thank you Steve!!! wendylaroux Dec 2015 #17
ABC can't bring themselves to use the "B" word in the title of the article..... B E R N I E ! Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #18
K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #21
DIdnt he win a few internet polls too? moobu2 Dec 2015 #23
I detect envy AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #31
He's the antipathy of Ass-Head . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #26
That's great news, since delegate counts are directly based on Twitter followers Tarc Dec 2015 #41
Delegates can & will change their allegiance to follow the voters. Bernie has generate huge peacebird Dec 2015 #51
Delusional fantasy Tarc Dec 2015 #64
And when Hillary loses Iowa & NH then Super Tuesday becomes a whole lot hardr for her peacebird Dec 2015 #69
Par for the course at this point Politicsandhiphop Dec 2015 #53
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