2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: ABC News: How Bernie Sanders Got the Biggest Twitter Bump From the GOP Debate [View all]daybranch
(1,309 posts)Bernie, FDR and Martin Luther King Jr. are all known for their socialistic ideas and policies. So what are your credentials to represent us old folks. When I work with people within the democratic party, local activists primarily, they are mostly old folks and also white and black women primarily. Yet I hear that women voters in Iowa favor Hillary more than two to 1 over Bernie. that is bewildering to me and may be the results of asking women who do not at this point even know who Bernie is, because as I canvas on doors here in Ohio, I first ask everyone if they know who Bernie is. If hey answer affirmatively, this is usually followed by the statement they plan to vote for Bernie. If they answer no, they usually follow with the statement they are not going to vote or they plan to vote for Hillary, it is usually a fairly well off white or black woman. I ask why and their response is usually well wouldn't it be great if we had a woman president for the first time. to me gender bias is running rough shod over examining issue differences, thoughtful analysis, and making well reasoned decisions. I find this rationale and lack of knowledge inconsistent with what I find talking to loyal women activists within the democratic party and women in general. What I believe after working hard as a leader on several successful campaigns for issues and for senatorial candidates here in Ohio, is that women in general are more connected and more knowledgeable and considered more left leaning. All characteristics that I believe work in Bernie's favor as women become more aware.
But to address your conclusion, yes Bernie people know FDR, who implemented the greatest socialist programs in the last 100 years, MLK jr. who was a declared democratic socialist were both democratic socialists. As for Bob Dylan, his prophesies as revealed in his songs which basically challenge rule by the rich oligopoly in support of capitalistic greed define him as a democratic socialist. The friends he had were certainly democratic socialists at the least and often more left wing. The song writers who he says most influenced him were democratic socialists or socialists who were both complaining about the inequities in the system due to capitalistic greed. This is discussed in a book titled Chimes of Freedom : The Politics of Bob Dylan's Art. If you become better informed you can quit decrying that we stole your hero, who judging by everything I find is indeed a democratic socialist, calling out the capitalistic establishment as the problem, a primary theme of the Bernie democratic socialist campaign. So we never stole him, he like many icons was already on the same side as Bernie and now we are just reminding everyone that democratic socialism had been a political philosophy of heroic social figures in our countryon a consistent basis and therefore is not to be condemned. So our view is every time you criticize Bernie as a democratic socialist and then claim as your heroes other democratic socialists and their views as heroic, we just marvel at your apparent unawareness. o yes we claim Bob Dylan, Both of the Guthries, Joan Baez, and John Lennon. They all were much to the left of Hillary and with us the people. Do not let your fears overcome your reasoning, vote for Bernie. He consistently tells the truth as a real friend does even when it painful for you to hear. Your enemies tell you what you want to hear. Go Bernie.