2016 Postmortem

emulatorloo

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4. I've watched all the debates. Neither HRC or Bernie are proposing regime change

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 03:27 PM

Dec 2015

Both propose building coalitions of middle eastern countries to take on ISIL on the ground. Both propose air support from the US.

There were some differences in their comments, but many were just calling the same thing by a different word.

So IMHO you are misrepresenting what both Bernie and HRC said.

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Hillary supporters - please justify regime change [View all] tecelote Dec 2015 OP

Unrec. Agschmid Dec 2015 #1

Glad you agree that Regime Change is not recommended. Wilms Dec 2015 #2

Apparently democracy wasn't recommended in Honduras when Secretary of State Clinton worked Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #65

Your results - Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #3

Thanks for posting. The critique is invalid. tecelote Dec 2015 #5

There are large differences on some important issues between Clinton and Sanders. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #9

I just went back. It was good. tecelote Dec 2015 #15

I've watched all the debates. Neither HRC or Bernie are proposing regime change emulatorloo Dec 2015 #4

56:00 tecelote Dec 2015 #6

Thanks for the link. Please avoid putting words in my mouth about the loss of human lives emulatorloo Dec 2015 #8

Thank you for this even-handed response. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #13

Hillary is a supporter of 'selected' regime change. She supported it in the disastrous invasion of sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #36

+1... tecelote Dec 2015 #46

Facts are facts, Hillary does support Regime Change, not sure why anyone is denying it. And we have sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #84

"We have no right to do this." Exactly. tecelote Jan 2016 #86

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #83

Is Sanders also a supporter of "selected regime change"? tritsofme Jan 2016 #96

Sanders voted against both the 1st and 2nd Iraq Wars. So no, he isn't. He voted to support the sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #97

But Sanders also voted to make regime change in Iraq official US policy tritsofme Jan 2016 #99

10 840high Jan 2016 #103

Hillary Clinton: US Must Defeat ISIS And Assad At The Same Time Oilwellian Dec 2015 #45

Why is it that most of the targets of Middle Eastern "regime change" Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #100

according to you, we should bury our heads in the sand while dictators like Assad gas c588415 Dec 2015 #7

There is mounting evidence that the Syrian gas attack was a false flag operation Maedhros Dec 2015 #31

Surely not... TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #79

We DO bury our heads in the sand when it comes to cruel dictators. We are best buddies with some of sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #38

Hillary Has A Storied History of Blundering Decisions on Foreign Policy... CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #62

I never said I agree with a no-fly-zone. c588415 Jan 2016 #82

I'd like to know how a no-fly zone stops ISIL, as she has claimed. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #87

Okay, I'll bite... brooklynite Dec 2015 #10

Thanks for the insightful response. tecelote Dec 2015 #11

We should be off fighting in Africa then, some nasty dictators there. Dragonfli Dec 2015 #12

Shame you believe the gassing of his own people as the excuse for Syria. That has been proven to sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #40

I could suggest that you're taking your anger at the Bush Administration... brooklynite Dec 2015 #49

I don't stew, I work to try to change things that are wrong. A little projection there perhaps. sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #59

I can't imaging any information source I could provide that you wouldn't categorize as... brooklynite Dec 2015 #60

IS Bahrain an ally of he US? If you can provide a link from anywhere denying that, I will accept it sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #64

Well said farleftlib Dec 2015 #61

Thank you 1 840high Jan 2016 #104

UPDATE: Bernie Sanders said that Assad gassed his own people in tonight's debate brooklynite Jan 2016 #107

I'd settle for some democracy right here in Wisconsin! Scuba Dec 2015 #14

Yes. tecelote Dec 2015 #16

ask bernie, he keeps voting for funding to support it nt msongs Dec 2015 #17

Listen to the debate. Big difference. tecelote Dec 2015 #18

Bosnia. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #80

Sanders is by no means some anti-regime change guy. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #19

I replied to that point in the post above. #18 tecelote Dec 2015 #20

Iraq Liberation Act wasn't necessarily military funding, NCTraveler Dec 2015 #27

You keep leaving out the fact he voted against it in 2003. Why so disingenuous? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #21

I don't "keep leaving it out." NCTraveler Dec 2015 #25

Link to him "build(ing) public support in the years before the war"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #26

I have backed it up with you. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #28

No you haven't, you said he voted for it and that's it. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #29

Obfuscation. A big difference utilizing "military" regime change, than voting to condemn a regime. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #58

Bernie voted for regime change BlueStateLib Dec 2015 #22

I replied to that point in the post above. #18 tecelote Dec 2015 #23

And voted against it in 2003. Why can't you guys just answer the question? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #24

So at best he's inconsistent with his voting on this uponit7771 Dec 2015 #30

He knew Bush was lying and what would happen if we invaded Iraq. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #32

Link and quote her "lies" to get America into Bush's stupid war? tia uponit7771 Dec 2015 #33

Sure: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #35

Her repeating intell reports from the Bush admin is NOT "her" lying, at worst it's her being naive.. uponit7771 Dec 2015 #37

No, it was a lie. There were no Al Qaeda members in Iraq. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #39

That's a statement and not proof that you know SHE knew the AQ information that was given her was uponit7771 Dec 2015 #47

Either she knew and lied or she should have known better than to parrot Bush's lies. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #55

We agree then, she "should" have known... an already admitted mistake and its in the past uponit7771 Jan 2016 #66

It's not in the past for our servicemen, their families or the Iraqi people. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #69

In the area of "mistakes" that cost lives none of the candidates can throw a stones. After months uponit7771 Jan 2016 #70

Nice deflection. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #71

No deflection just repeat of the "I dont see that much difference between Sanders and Hillary" that uponit7771 Jan 2016 #72

Now you're dragging out the strawmen. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #73

She's admitted her Blunders Sanders hasn't, I see her as more workable than Sanders who is uponit7771 Jan 2016 #74

Sure, you keep telling yourself that. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #75

Just looking at the facts, Sanders reasoning for voting against the Brady Bill 123423 times stank... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #76

A personal anecdote! Well that settles it! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #77

Began the post with "facts" about Sanders votes, can't see how that was missed. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #78

+1 tecelote Dec 2015 #41

I don't know why none of them will just address your op. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #42

I'm for smart calculated regime change... nothing wrong with that... it's just not been smart uponit7771 Jan 2016 #67

Would you be in favor of another country coming here should we have a government that say, was sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #105

Not for those reasons... no.. seeing the overt racism that goes on here someone would've uponit7771 Jan 2016 #106

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #34

My response would be similar to Lil Missy, sans the obscenities DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 #43

Vote your conscience. tecelote Dec 2015 #44

tecelote! Nicely said WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #48

Thx! tecelote Dec 2015 #50

The Most Important Regime Change in Recent History.... MADem Dec 2015 #51

Regime change has been back by Sanders so has he changed Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #52

Post #18 and #21 show his position. tecelote Dec 2015 #53

Yes he supports regime change. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #56

Those post address nothing, Bernie is for regime change too... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #68

Supporting regime change Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2015 #54

Hilary supports military regime change. It is important that the word military is attached. EndElectoral Dec 2015 #57

This Democratic Rep explains that "Regime change" is unconstitutional and illegal nationalize the fed Jan 2016 #63

Very informative interviews of Rep. Tulsi Gabbard sorechasm Jan 2016 #81

NOTICE: Violent overthrow followed by nation rebuilding will continue until attitudes improve! Attorney in Texas Jan 2016 #85

Sanders supported the Iraq Liberation Act, which codified regime change in Iraq as US policy tritsofme Jan 2016 #88

It's been justified above. Just read. tecelote Jan 2016 #89

Those posts do not address Sanders support for regime change in Iraq tritsofme Jan 2016 #90

Listen to the debate. A world of difference between Bernie and Hillary. tecelote Jan 2016 #91

This is a different claim than your OP. Sanders thought regime change was important too tritsofme Jan 2016 #92

No. Bernie does not support regime change in Syria. Hillary does. tecelote Jan 2016 #94

The OP refers to regime change generically, Syria wasn't mentioned tritsofme Jan 2016 #95

Other supporters - please justify your accusations. Credible links not optional. Hekate Jan 2016 #93

Looks Kinda Like This... WillyT Jan 2016 #98

Ask the Israelis and Saudis. It's to their benefit, not ours. n/t leveymg Jan 2016 #101

Like justifying the regime change in the ILA, Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #102