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15. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #1
Only $15? Why not $20? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #2
The people at the bottom of the heap are speaking quite clearly: 15. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #5
Are you sure they wouldn't want $20? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #6
Actually $21 would be fairer. That's what it would be if adjusted for inflation. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #12
That link says the highest it's ever been adjusted for inflation is $10.55. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #13
Seems you can't discuss this rationally and I am not surprised because you've taken rhett o rick Jan 2016 #46
Raising the minimum wage from $7.25 to $12.00 is not holding it down. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #50
And my point is that $12 is an insult. It's not a living wage. Why not $15? rhett o rick Jan 2016 #55
Why hasn't France, or Germany, or any other country gone that far? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #59
Your arguements don't have anything to do with the morality of providing a living wage. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #66
As Krugman likes to say, economics is not a morality play. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #72
Show me a study that says that raising the min wage causes unemployment and inflation. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #82
Those are about raising the minimum wage from its current, low, value. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #84
Krugman also likes to blather on about the liquidity trap MFrohike Jan 2016 #228
Why? Neoliberal infections within their economies. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #152
Every country in the world has a neoliberal infection? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #172
because ... Roy Ellefson Jan 2016 #221
My guess would be vastly superior healthcare Bradical79 Jan 2016 #235
You disagree with Senator Warren, then. If twelve bucks is an "insult," you're gonna HATE ten MADem Jan 2016 #104
You sure read that a lot different than I do. RichVRichV Jan 2016 #128
Not sure what your point is there--the other poster was calling two bucks more than that MADem Jan 2016 #139
I support a $15 min wage. I guess you support a mere $10.10. Sad when Democrats care more rhett o rick Jan 2016 #129
Do you at least agree that it is possible to set the minimum wage too high? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #131
I have never seen any articles claiming that. Maybe you can link me to one. nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #205
I did link to one, above, about Puerto Rico. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #206
Ha ha ha--are you calling me Elizabeth Warren? MADem Jan 2016 #137
No way. She is a progressive. She doesn't support the wealthy 1% to the rhett o rick Jan 2016 #211
I don't "support the wealthy 1% to the detriment of the working poor" either. MADem Jan 2016 #212
And keep on using that emoticon. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #213
When you make obviously false statements about me, I have two options, really. MADem Jan 2016 #214
I never claimed you were a 1%'er. Now who is misrepresenting. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #220
You danced close enough to that fire to create a firestorm of misapprehension. MADem Jan 2016 #225
What inflation number? PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #67
Isn't that something, how they do that. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #174
+1! tecelote Jan 2016 #34
The peak is actually $10.55 adjusted for inflation. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #36
My gut tells me different. I know it's not scientific but I lived through it. tecelote Jan 2016 #39
That's a fair opinion. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #40
It depends on where you live TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #178
Should every earner be earning a wage adjusted for if they had children? Zynx Jan 2016 #151
I doubt we'll see any increase. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #3
I'm completely confident that Clinton, bvf Jan 2016 #4
+1 CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #9
It's fine where it is. StrongBad Jan 2016 #7
That's a pretty bad reply. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #15
No, you don't get a secure life just by showing up. StrongBad Jan 2016 #41
Look, I can get this on Yahoo board. Good luck to you and yours. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #44
I appreciate your politeness. Best to you as well. StrongBad Jan 2016 #48
"giving excessive resources to those that don't produce...is a recipe for societal collapse" DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #105
They will? Why, had no idea! bvf Jan 2016 #16
Hillary actually. But don't agree with her 100% on things. StrongBad Jan 2016 #42
Your post appears to argue bvf Jan 2016 #74
Unions are fine as they are a form of voluntary organization. StrongBad Jan 2016 #106
So you're against any minimum wage, then. bvf Jan 2016 #107
It's not the 19th century anymore. StrongBad Jan 2016 #108
That's entirely irrelevant. bvf Jan 2016 #124
Yeah, and then taxpayers are on the hook providing "additional services" to people who work 40+ hrs Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #18
That's not cool either. StrongBad Jan 2016 #43
Right, but those burgers don't cook themselves. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #53
Those burgers will start cooking themselves soon enough. StrongBad Jan 2016 #58
"I only know how to pay people to create new alloys!" Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #63
Yeah but probably better solved by welfare than min wage StrongBad Jan 2016 #69
You would seem to be contradicting yourself, there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #71
Honestly, just to prevent riots from the hordes. StrongBad Jan 2016 #76
And this is all preferable to simply telling McDonalds, etc. to pay their workers a living wage? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #78
Capital flight is a thing. Government flight isn't. StrongBad Jan 2016 #81
Ah, Capital Flight.. Like, McDonalds is going to take all their burger-selling operations to Mexico Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #136
You do know this is classic rightwing liberloon Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #145
What bullshit... Punkingal Jan 2016 #20
Haters gonna hate, atlases gonna shrug. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #21
I really don't think it's necessary anymore. StrongBad Jan 2016 #45
Who decides who provides value? Punkingal Jan 2016 #49
The worker provides value to the employer. StrongBad Jan 2016 #57
That's great.... Punkingal Jan 2016 #60
Yes because there's only one employer in the entire economy. StrongBad Jan 2016 #61
I couldn't dislike your ideas more than I do now after reading this. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #175
Assuming you're not being snarky... BlueCheese Jan 2016 #24
I disagree. Maybe that's true in a world of Republicons or Libertarians, but rhett o rick Jan 2016 #52
That's a nice thought but not reality. StrongBad Jan 2016 #96
Not only is this view heartless it's also wrong. RichVRichV Jan 2016 #65
I disagree. StrongBad Jan 2016 #98
You have got to be trolling. RichVRichV Jan 2016 #111
Here's a start to having your mind blown StrongBad Jan 2016 #114
It will take a lot more than that to blow my mind. RichVRichV Jan 2016 #121
Wow. Just fucking wow. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #112
Great use of a cliche phrase. StrongBad Jan 2016 #115
Great use of right wing talking points about poor people. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #116
Reality is harsh. Resources are finite. The future is dark. Get used to it. StrongBad Jan 2016 #117
So let them starve, amirite? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #119
Can't compete? Not my fault. StrongBad Jan 2016 #120
Please, stop with the picures. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #126
I gave up, it's not worth disussing anything with someone who advocates survival of the fittest. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #138
Are you a comedian in real life? hobbit709 Jan 2016 #89
Great argument and rebuttal. 10/10. StrongBad Jan 2016 #97
The system runs on money-if the damn system makes it impossible to be of monetary worth to those Stargazer99 Jan 2016 #113
Yikes. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #144
huh? Roy Ellefson Jan 2016 #222
Another tone deaf OP from Camp Weathervane. 99Forever Jan 2016 #8
$500 trillion BKH70041 Jan 2016 #10
It's misleading to compare it to many European nations Vattel Jan 2016 #11
Yes so if they make 8 dollars an hour, they take home about 4.50 an hour yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #77
and public transportation is often better, making car ownership less crucial Vattel Jan 2016 #83
Depending on where you lived yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #86
Isn't the logical thing, then, to be pushing for greater benefits and not higher mandated wages? Zynx Jan 2016 #153
If people want to bleat on and piss/moan over "if 15 why not 20" then fine, make it 20. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #14
The more I think about it, the more I think even $20 isn't enough. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #17
Sure. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #19
Obviously it's not fine where it is. Where did I say that? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #23
I would argue that 15 is more livable, equitable, and fair than 12. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #25
My argument is not that lower numbers are better. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #30
I don't think 15 is inherently more "risky" than 12, personally. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #51
Sure, I will definitely concede that. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #54
Peace. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #56
I say $50 BKH70041 Jan 2016 #22
The peasants are greedy, huh? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #26
Amazing, isn't it? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #70
I thought WE were the libertarians!!!! Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #75
Get your memes straight, Bernie-bro, it's third way progressives! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #80
Apparently if they have to pay workers too much, McDonalds will pack up and sell their burgers to us Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #140
And then we'll have to give the hordes of unemployed moochers welfare or they'll riot. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #141
This thread brought out the Libertarians neverforget Jan 2016 #102
I will see your twenty and raise you five more. Vattel Jan 2016 #183
I would agree with that. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #207
I keep hearing this stuff about how Sanders supporters are all soooper-seekrit libertarians Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #27
Have seen a couple of the replies in this thread? n/t MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #33
That sentence doesn't make any sense. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #47
I certainly don't believe that. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #35
I'm more interested in a minimum living wage, so something like this... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #28
Why do we even need a federal minimum wage? TeddyR Jan 2016 #29
Well, some states aren't interested in protecting their workers. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #32
Well TeddyR Jan 2016 #93
The current approach is for the federal government to set a floor... BlueCheese Jan 2016 #94
Right TeddyR Jan 2016 #103
because mississippi and the rest of the fuckwad bullshit rightwing hellholes would have no min. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #148
The Australian minimum wage is over $12 USD an hour. jfern Jan 2016 #31
Adjusted for purchasing power, because Australia has a higher cost of living, it's around $11.14. Zynx Jan 2016 #160
$17.29 AUD is definitely more than $12 USD jfern Jan 2016 #216
It sure is . TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #230
The exchange rate is *NOT* equivalent to cost of living. Zynx Jan 2016 #233
San Francisco is probably more expensive than anywhere in Australia jfern Jan 2016 #236
Who says the federal government has Keefer Jan 2016 #37
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. Look it up. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #38
Nothing in the Keefer Jan 2016 #90
I think we've all seen the graph of stagnant wage compared to relative corporate growth... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #62
"a credentialed and licensed respiratory care practitioner" Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #99
I can't believe it's taken this long for THAT connection! MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #118
Everyone now making over minimum wage will want an increase too MichMan Jan 2016 #100
My sister owns a very small business in NC TeddyR Jan 2016 #109
$20 an hour for working at Taco Bell? TeddyR Jan 2016 #190
Multiple posters here advocating for that very thing n/t MichMan Jan 2016 #195
I'm not telling you that is what it could be... MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #224
Enough so anyone working full time corkhead Jan 2016 #64
GDP divided by population. PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #68
Why does that inherently make sense? Zynx Jan 2016 #154
Because it is the just way PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #208
I am fine with 12 in most places. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #73
This thread will self-destruct in a few minutes. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #79
Decided not to self-delete. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #87
Good post, but it's impossible to get Hillary bashers to understand this. DanTex Jan 2016 #85
$12/hr here in Austin won't even pay the rent. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #88
ideally, it should be staggered according to cost of living in different Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #91
This is correct. NT Adrahil Jan 2016 #123
Without looking at one single reply....... quickesst Jan 2016 #92
Whatever it takes to be a living wage in its own region. nt LWolf Jan 2016 #95
Wouldn't jobs follow the lowest wage regions then? MichMan Jan 2016 #101
not necessairly. Wages are already higher in NYC or San Francisco Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #134
All wages would rise proportionally MichMan Jan 2016 #149
Fifteen to start. nt Laffy Kat Jan 2016 #110
I think we should go for $15, since by the time we actually get the chance to do this Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #122
Much higher than it is now... Sequinn Jan 2016 #125
10 taught_me_patience Jan 2016 #127
$22 an hour and a guaranteed wage. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #130
What do you mean by a guaranteed wage? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #132
Dismantle the entire welfare system and provide a base wage for all Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #133
In 1972 this was actually supported by both President Nixon and by Senator Douglas Carpenter Jan 2016 #135
$22 an hour? Every single job has to be paid essentially at least $45,000 a year? Zynx Jan 2016 #156
That would be for doing nothing MichMan Jan 2016 #168
Exactly. The guaranteed minimum income has always been proposed as a barebones safety net. Zynx Jan 2016 #176
If you're willing to settle for $12, you should start the negotiation at $15 or higher. Scuba Jan 2016 #142
What sort of "Democrat" argues against a living wage? 99Forever Jan 2016 #143
Perhaps we should do something like Australia TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #146
The productivity increases vary wildly by industry MichMan Jan 2016 #157
So all increases to productivity should go to sit-on-their-ass-and-do-nothing upper management? 99Forever Jan 2016 #159
No, but the basic point is that you can't provide a uniform adjustment based on productivity. Zynx Jan 2016 #161
Same gawddamn bullshit excuses that have been use to keep their... 99Forever Jan 2016 #165
I'm not. I do work in public policy analysis and I'm concerned about overly simplistic policies. Zynx Jan 2016 #181
If they can't can't pay their workers a decent livable wage... 99Forever Jan 2016 #182
That could, over time, be an entire industry that we would no longer have. Zynx Jan 2016 #184
You a big fan of buggy whips? 99Forever Jan 2016 #188
Wait...what? If an industry goes under because its products aren't desired anymore, that's one thing Zynx Jan 2016 #189
Funny thing about those "scale wages to" scams... 99Forever Jan 2016 #193
I would suppose that attempting to call for civility is a Republican line, too? Zynx Jan 2016 #196
Do I sound angry? 99Forever Jan 2016 #198
Personally insulting people who want the same end goal as you but disagree slightly on means... Zynx Jan 2016 #199
$15 hr. 99Forever Jan 2016 #200
You had been arguing for something far higher than that. Zynx Jan 2016 #201
That simply isn't true. 99Forever Jan 2016 #202
You jumped in to defend linking it to inflation plus productivity. Zynx Jan 2016 #209
This also brings up another obsurdity. 99Forever Jan 2016 #204
Because they are far less disruptive than a single very high minimum wage. Zynx Jan 2016 #210
More like they are much easier to promise while campaigning... 99Forever Jan 2016 #218
You've got me. I'm part of a vast conspiracy to oppress the working and middle class. Zynx Jan 2016 #226
False promises are false. 99Forever Jan 2016 #232
Very simplistic thinking MichMan Jan 2016 #163
"Simplistic" my ass. 99Forever Jan 2016 #166
Serious problem: Worker productivity hasn't increased evenly across industries. Zynx Jan 2016 #158
I understand that TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #170
Are you sure that's the minimum wage in that chart? BlueCheese Jan 2016 #179
You are definitely right. That's not minimum wage. Zynx Jan 2016 #186
It's average hourly compensation TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #187
Thanks-- interesting read. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #191
It should be what it has always been - a floor wage MineralMan Jan 2016 #147
How about that? Something sensible. Zynx Jan 2016 #162
I keep trying to be sensible. MineralMan Jan 2016 #164
Alan Krueger's thoughts are worth looking at. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #150
12 is enough. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #155
$15 is, at least, a start. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #167
What ever it is it must be adjusted for inflation - ANNUALLY Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #169
This is essentially conservative propaganda and I wish I weren't seeing it on DU. nt Todays_Illusion Jan 2016 #171
Respectfully, raising the minimum wage to the highest in the world is not conservative propaganda. BlueCheese Jan 2016 #173
Apparently supporting a 60%+ increase in the minimum wage makes one a fascist. Zynx Jan 2016 #177
Sixty percent? jmowreader Jan 2016 #219
Increasing it to the vicinity of $12 is deemed unacceptable. That's a 65.5% increase. Zynx Jan 2016 #229
Deemed unacceptable by who? jmowreader Jan 2016 #231
The Sanders supporters. Zynx Jan 2016 #234
Yes it is. 99Forever Jan 2016 #180
I make $18.75 Reter Jan 2016 #185
Elizabeth Warren on minimum wage EndElectoral Jan 2016 #192
From your link... BlueCheese Jan 2016 #194
Yes, and that didn't happen. She was asking for a nominal increase and couldn't get that. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #197
That number should be... deathrind Jan 2016 #203
$12 at minimum, and indexed to the cost of living in each area jmowreader Jan 2016 #215
Yeah, this stuff where we talk about solving this through a single national number is nonsense. Zynx Jan 2016 #217
except in Wisconsin Roy Ellefson Jan 2016 #223
Depends where. Madison, no. Places like Milladore in Wood County? Absolutely. Zynx Jan 2016 #227
Regional Hekate Jan 2016 #237
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