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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
25. I don't care who they endorse for office.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jan 2016

It shouldn't be that big of a deal, either (their choice of candidate). What it comes down to is who the people are going to vote for. Sanders is not an enemy to planned parenthood - far from it, most of us Sanders supporters ARE standing up for equal rights - and have, for quite some time, as has the candidate himself.

Why it's necessary that we bicker about this I don't know. Neither Sanders, nor his campaign, nor any of his supporters (that I am familiar with) are joining the gop war on women. Also, none of these groups or individuals are known to be opponents of equal rights. Never has this been so with Sanders, the implications of this OP are inaccurate. Is there a small number of Sanders supporters who might be opponents to Planned Parenthood and equal rights? Sure. There's likely a number of Clinton supporters who are the same. This does not, in any way, indicate blame or justified accusation against either of our candidates.

Progressives are not making a target of planned parenthood - that is not what progressives do. Some may argue with the endorsement of Clinton - but there is no movement among legitimate progressives or liberals (Sanders supporters or otherwise) to denounce, destroy, defund, or otherwise harm Planned Parenthood.

Not sure why I'm making this post, I guess I'm just tired of the back and forth. We're on the same side. Whether Clinton wins the nomination or Sanders wins the nomination - both of these candidates support planned parenthood and equal rights. Their supporters, in supporting them (and in, ultimately, voting for them) are also supporting these worthy causes.

I will vote for who ever wins the nomination among the democrats. I support Sanders - AND planned parenthood - AND equal rights for our own people and for the human race. I am not an enemy to Clinton, or any of the worthy causes she supports.

Why on earth should it be otherwise? Can't we just stick with the facts? Let's look at the voting records, at the policies, at their actions in the past. What have these two candidates done? Why should we vote for one over another? Both are supportive of many progressive and worthy causes. Either one would be immensely, stupendously, wonderfully, incredibly better than any one of these clowns on the right.

We should unite - at least in the fact that we're on the same side, that we have two worthy candidates, either one being worthy of our votes, that preventing a Trump (or Rubio, or Cruz, or/insert moron) Presidency is pretty damned important.

Our enemies are on the other side of the darn fence. Our ideological opponents would happily defund planned parenthood, work to undo years of work on the civil rights front, shut down progressive and liberal movements, eliminate funding for education, for infrastructure, for welfare, for food for the needy, for so many damned things. These are the people we should be worrying about, rather than pointing fingers at each other.

I don't see why I can't support all of these things at once and still be a Sanders supporter. I don't see why we can't all do these things, regardless of our preferred nominee.

We'll win or lose together. Frankly, I believe we're going to win. We are more on the side of progress, of right, of compassion for humanity.. than we have ever been before. This is a movement, an awakening, a gradual enlightening of Americans and of the people of the world that shows me... progress is being made - and will continue to be made. We can only be defeated, ultimately, if we defeat ourselves.

People who I have supported that presume to make political endorsements... 99Forever Jan 2016 #1
agreed roguevalley Jan 2016 #26
So you're a proud fair weather friend. Cary Jan 2016 #86
You were expecting that Planned Parenthood would ask your opinion? Seriously? Squinch Jan 2016 #109
If they want support... 99Forever Jan 2016 #112
Nope. Planned Parenthood now doubling down on their political folly Proserpina Jan 2016 #2
well stated rurallib Jan 2016 #50
There was no mistake. They chose the right candidate. leftofcool Jan 2016 #53
The right candidate for them to officially choose would have been none. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #56
"Choosing a candidate" is not part of their mission statement Proserpina Jan 2016 #59
Yes, they did. They can deny it all they want, but facts are facts. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #64
I will continue to donate to PP, even though it supports the corporate democrat. JRLeft Jan 2016 #3
^^^ this ^^^ Leave the politics out of it. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #36
PP made this political, not ANYONE else demwing Jan 2016 #57
PLANNED PARENTHOOD CAN DO NO WRONG. STAND WITH THEM. YOU HAVE BEEN ASSIMILATED Hiraeth Jan 2016 #74
Or stand against them. You will be standing with the Republicans and the most disgusting JTFrog Jan 2016 #82
I HAVE BEEN ASSILMILATED. I HAVE MADE USE OF THEIR SERVICES. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #87
Thank you,Bain. sufrommich Jan 2016 #4
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service William769 Jan 2016 #32
Thank you for sharing that,Bill. sufrommich Jan 2016 #41
Anytime. William769 Jan 2016 #61
I'd like to buy juror #4 a drink!!!! Walk away Jan 2016 #133
Juror #4 TSIAS Jan 2016 #147
I'm sure they are proud to have nothing to do with you! Walk away Jan 2016 #150
classy Hiraeth Jan 2016 #39
And I stand with them ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #5
So many people have been helped by Planned Parenthood, BB.. I think they will be fine. Cha Jan 2016 #6
Planned Parenthood made the right choice.. that's for sure! Cha Jan 2016 #7
Exactly Cha. In today's political climate, PP could not risk having oasis Jan 2016 #31
Hillary's always been there for them.. they know they have a Fighter and a Winner. Cha Jan 2016 #44
I thought it was a terrible idea. liberalnarb Jan 2016 #40
Really. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #58
Their divisive endorsement for purely political reasons will further divide the Party and hurt rhett o rick Jan 2016 #134
While I do not agree with their MuseRider Jan 2016 #8
Thanks for that BainsBane Jan 2016 #9
You are welcome. MuseRider Jan 2016 #11
Totally agree Gloria Jan 2016 #95
I have supported PP for years. That remains unchanged. I simply do not support Hillary. cali Jan 2016 #10
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Jan 2016 #12
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #13
K&R mcar Jan 2016 #14
No No No - They should be punished for failing to endorse him SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #15
"They should be punished" JTFrog Jan 2016 #18
I was quoting from the OP - that is not my opinion SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #22
Cecile Richards dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #16
Bingo, I bet. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #60
I doubt average voters pay much attention to endorsements though Nyan Jan 2016 #72
you said questionseverything Jan 2016 #103
call it what you want dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #111
pretty darn bleak questionseverything Jan 2016 #113
Right - all the donations that have been cancelled by us small donors dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #124
I stand with Planned Parenthood. ALWAYS. What is happening at DU is shameful. Hekate Jan 2016 #17
^^^^^THIS^^^^^ n/t JTFrog Jan 2016 #21
There are other places to give money that are just as important for women. eggplant Jan 2016 #19
thanks for the link dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #23
Fund Abortion Now is not even the same type sufrommich Jan 2016 #24
I never said they were the same. eggplant Jan 2016 #90
What I'm most alarmed at Dale Neiburg Jan 2016 #66
Yea, except they DO help you find a provider. eggplant Jan 2016 #88
That seems to vary with the chapter: Dale Neiburg Jan 2016 #110
"not to knock FAN" eggplant Jan 2016 #117
Absolutely Brilliant Post! BooScout Jan 2016 #20
I don't care who they endorse for office. davidthegnome Jan 2016 #25
The spin in this statement is dizzying. MrChuck Jan 2016 #27
Too much drama IMHO. No organization is above criticism, Vattel Jan 2016 #28
a lot of childish assholes are encouraging donors to 'defund Planned Parenthood' over this. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #33
That does seem like a gross overreaction. Vattel Jan 2016 #38
especially since PP itself doesn't donate to Clinton or endorse her, it's their PAC that does. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #43
Good point. Vattel Jan 2016 #47
Back in the days when I was a corporate employee comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #85
I stand with PP. bigwillq Jan 2016 #29
Thank you BainsBane Jan 2016 #35
Oh give me a break already... mountain grammy Jan 2016 #30
They should have thought of that azmom Jan 2016 #34
Why punish PP by depriving poor women of desperately needed healthcare? SunSeeker Jan 2016 #83
It was a calculated political decision. azmom Jan 2016 #107
I think it is safe to assume Bernie supporters most upset about this never funded PP. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #118
If they didn't before, they sure as hell won't now. azmom Jan 2016 #119
Comments like that prove PP PAC picked the right candidate to endorse. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #120
Had that same thought. joshcryer Jan 2016 #122
I stand with PP liberalnarb Jan 2016 #37
Well said! n/t Spazito Jan 2016 #42
Let's stand by them HassleCat Jan 2016 #45
If PP doesn't stand with all Democrats during the primaries, it cannot expect Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #46
If PP wants to play politics ... earthside Jan 2016 #69
Endorse all Democrats in primaries? BainsBane Jan 2016 #78
"Failing to prioritize"? How about "Choosing to prioritize"? Blue State Bandit Jan 2016 #48
"sticking their thumbs in half the democratic party's face" SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #73
I agree with you PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #49
Whoever made this endorsement should be fired. fbc Jan 2016 #51
I seriously doubt that it was one person. And, if there is a "split among Democrats" (capital D!).. George II Jan 2016 #52
Yes, but you know it will never happen Proserpina Jan 2016 #55
That's true, Planned Parenthood only provides low cost healthcare to the 1% emulatorloo Jan 2016 #63
Planned Parenthood treats the 99% as feedstock, a reason to exist Proserpina Jan 2016 #71
"Planned Parenthood treats the 99% as Feedstock" emulatorloo Jan 2016 #77
Do you know the difference between the 1% Management and the 99% worker bees and customers? Proserpina Jan 2016 #79
I began digging to see if there might be a "1%" reason behind the endorsement, which IS a bit... HeartoftheMidwest Jan 2016 #96
"split their support among democrats"? oasis Jan 2016 #68
Since there is a zentrum Jan 2016 #54
k and r niyad Jan 2016 #62
In the time before ObamaCare, Planned Parenthood was there for my daughter in her difficult time. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #65
This is like beyond stupid to attack an endorser. I have not seen anything like it. Dems, all seabeyond Jan 2016 #67
"The confirmation that has been repeatedly given to us." Hiraeth Jan 2016 #75
Absolutely! Skidmore Jan 2016 #70
+1 Jamaal510 Jan 2016 #97
Well written BB Iliyah Jan 2016 #76
It's unfathomable BainsBane Jan 2016 #80
I suspect that many of the people who are insisting MADem Jan 2016 #81
I tend to think you're right BainsBane Jan 2016 #149
This subject is very important to me... one_voice Jan 2016 #84
Nice post. Thanks. Cary Jan 2016 #89
Planned Parenthood just inserted themselves into Democratic party politics raindaddy Jan 2016 #91
Thanks. The "I am taking my bat and ball and going home because I didn't get my way" is telling. Cary Jan 2016 #92
K&R 'cause that's how DU rolls nowadays. nt BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #93
Again, this is not a zero sum game. blackspade Jan 2016 #94
It certainly provided an opportunity BainsBane Jan 2016 #98
This is only about values to those that have a myopic view of politics. blackspade Jan 2016 #100
Lashing Jamaal510 Jan 2016 #99
I make up my own mind about political candidates. MineralMan Jan 2016 #101
When the nomination process has sorted out RandySF Jan 2016 #102
Sanders Statement on Planned Parenthood LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #104
Bernie Sanders: I 'will defend' Planned Parenthood, there's no selling of fetuses LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #105
Bernie Sanders: GOP Efforts To Defund Planned Parenthood 'An Attack On Women's Health' LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #106
And yet some of his supporters are promising to do just that. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #123
Exactly. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #128
I stand with Planned Parenthood Gothmog Jan 2016 #108
Aw jeez ffs Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #114
Planned Parenthood should have the support of all "real" Democrats. (eom) oasis Jan 2016 #115
SPOT ON riversedge Jan 2016 #132
I will continue my support and my volunteering there but I will fight to get those in their rhett o rick Jan 2016 #135
Thanks for volunteering at PP. I don't see how the Democratic oasis Jan 2016 #137
This is corruption. I think you underestimate how much people are fed up with this type of rhett o rick Jan 2016 #144
Not enough people see things the way you do in order for any change to occur. oasis Jan 2016 #145
I am shocked and dismayed that so many so called progressives.... Sheepshank Jan 2016 #116
Indeed. Particularly since the PP PAC endorsed Hillary, not PP. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #121
The GOP is doing everything in their power to defund PP. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #125
PP's endorsement of Hillary Clinton will not change my support for them, for what it's worth. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #126
My friends and I have always supported Planned Parenthood and I dislike Bernie Sanders as... Walk away Jan 2016 #127
A courageous stance. Glad that they are not only not backing down, but that they have clearly named Number23 Jan 2016 #129
hell yes to this! boston bean Jan 2016 #130
Joining an incredibly long and impressive list of liberal organizations, causes and individuals Number23 Jan 2016 #138
I support PP's mission but I don't support their decision to endorse at this point, nor their choice aikoaiko Jan 2016 #131
Nobody here is standing against Planned Parenthood DemocraticWing Jan 2016 #136
"Nobody here is standing against Planned Parenthood". JTFrog Jan 2016 #139
Perhaps you should read some of the responses in this thread. BainsBane Jan 2016 #140
KICK! Cha Jan 2016 #141
Wonderful post, BainsBane! calimary Jan 2016 #142
Thanks, Calimary. BainsBane Jan 2016 #148
K&R betsuni Jan 2016 #143
PP made a serious mistake by taking side in a Democratic Campaign where they have the support of Bernblu Jan 2016 #146
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #151
Big K&R. I'll add to your excellent OP... YoungDemCA Jan 2016 #152
Ya know. !!! seabeyond Jan 2016 #153
Thanks for this post. You made me think. seabeyond Jan 2016 #154
This is the chart they created showing why they endorsed Clinton BainsBane Jan 2016 #155
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