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seabeyond

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Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:35 AM Apr 2012

all women are whores [View all]

Every woman is thought to have a price. Some women cost $100. Others cost dinner, a movie and a few hours of conversation that the man has to suffer through. Others cost a McMansion in the suburbs and a monthly clothing allowance. The point is not the price. The point is that every woman is presumed to have one. We are supposed to ignore how men have monopolized economic and societal power, treated us like chattel and forced us into the whore role in a million and one ways over the last few thousand years.

Men believe that women are whores not through circumstance, but because whoredom is somehow intrinsic to our nature. We are natural whores, supposedly. Though given men’s inclination to force women into the whore role, it seems like it would be more accurate to claim that men are natural johns/pimps actually. Anyway, the belief that all women are whores is so important to men that they have come up with a scientific discipline to prove it (because I’ve never seen an evo-psych study which didnt imply that all women are whores. Do they even exist? They should just rename “evo-psych” to “whore studies” and be done with it.)

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It explains why rape is only considered rape it if involves a strange man jumping out of the bushes and wrestling a woman to the ground. Other types of rape arent really rape because so long as the woman is compensated – with dinner, a roof over her head, compliments, affection – then it is considered a fair transaction. Women are all whores, afterall. And a whore cant really be raped. Even in the case of the man in the bushes, the rape isnt really rape. It’s something else … theft of services, perhaps? The man in the bushes sparks outrage not because of what he does to the woman, but because he steals the service which rightfully belongs to the woman’s pimp/john/husband/boyfriend. Or male kin, who safeguard the service until it is claimed by a husband.

The belief that all women are whores also explains, at least partially, why the fuckability mandate has not eased off one bit, despite all the advances that women have made. Being fuckable, or attempting to be fuckable is imperative. Even the most naturally unfuckable woman must be seen to be actively working on making herself as fuckable as possible. When it comes down to it, the point is not our fuckability, but that we are making the effort. It shows that we are trying hard to display the product – ourselves – in the best light in order to entice buyers. Men see this as a tacit acknowledgment on our part that we are in fact a product for sale in the first place. A woman who isnt making a visible effort to be fuckable is an affront to men. Men not only want to buy women. They also want women to want to be bought by them, and to show it. It proves we are whores and that we wish to be treated like whores. The belief that all women are whores may even partially explain why men find lesbianism so threatening. Being confronted by a lesbian forces a man to entertain an uneasy suspicion that standing before him is an unbuyable woman. His currency, all of it, may be utterly meaningless to her. And as soon as he admits that some women are unbuyable, suddenly his belief that all women are whores starts falling apart.

http://fabmatters.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/all-women-are-whores/
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i was looking at, if men can possibly understand why women are bothered about themselves always being observed on a fuckability scale. this thread had me thinking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=611581

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For something intangible, a glance can be a powerful thing. It can carry the weight of culture and history, it can cause psychological harm, and it can act as a muzzle. Consider the relatively simple act of a man staring at a woman's body. This is such a common part of modern society that most of us rarely stop to think of its consequences, much less investigate it with a scientific lens. Tamar Saguy is different. Leading a team of Israeli and US psychologists, she has shown that women become more silent if they think that men are focusing on their bodies. They showed that women who were asked to introduce themselves to an anonymous male partner spent far less time talking about themselves if they believed that their bodies were being checked out. Men had no such problem. Nor, for that matter, did women if they thought they were being inspected by another woman.

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Saguy found that women talked about themselves for less time than men, but only if they thought they were being visually inspected by a man, and particularly if they thought their bodies were being checked out. They used the full two minutes if they were describing themselves to another woman (no matter where the camera was pointing) or if they were speaking to a man who could hear but not see them. But if their partner was a man watching their bodies, they spoke for just under one-and-a-half minutes. You can see these differences in the graph below (although note that the y-axis starts at 60, a practice I don't particularly like).

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When the students answered a questionnaire after the experiment, both men and women "felt more like a body than as a real person" if the camera focused on them from the neck down. But only the women were really put off by it. Around 61% of them disliked the body-pointed camera, compared to just 32% who disliked the face-pointing one or 7% who disliked the audio. For the men, 36% disliked the body camera, 42% disliked the face one and 22% disliked the audio.

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Even so, these behaviours don't go unnoticed. They could be major problems if the same detrimental silencing effect in Saguy's study applies in real-world situations where being vocal is important for success - job interviews, work meetings, networking sessions, classrooms and more. There will always be hardened lechers among us but often, objectification happens without us thinking about it or becoming aware of it. It's time, perhaps, that more of us did.

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2010/01/how_sexual_objectification_silences_women_-_the_male_glance.php

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all women are whores [View all] seabeyond Apr 2012 OP
Towards the end of the first article, the following statement occurs.... xocet Apr 2012 #1
" men constantly write this type of shit all over the internet." seabeyond Apr 2012 #2
No point in trying to improve your argument. Equality is worth defending but not poorly.... n/t xocet Apr 2012 #5
you misfired. you may see it as a way to improve on it. what i see is you making up a reason seabeyond Apr 2012 #8
When read from the outside, what was written comes across very differently. xocet Apr 2012 #14
if women are raised from the time of little girl seabeyond Apr 2012 #15
What is a belief? redqueen Apr 2012 #3
So, there is no point in trying to put the argument on a sounder foundation? n/t xocet Apr 2012 #6
really? iverglas Apr 2012 #4
Hah, that "condemnation of all men" BS reminded me of this: redqueen Apr 2012 #10
Hey, if I am wrong, please enlighten me. What is the best study out there on subconscious xocet Apr 2012 #12
have you ever read this. think about it as your read it. see how many things you recognize in self? seabeyond Apr 2012 #13
No. Those are very good points to consider. xocet Apr 2012 #16
are you seabeyond Apr 2012 #17
Yes. xocet Apr 2012 #32
but see, seabeyond Apr 2012 #33
Here is some stuff.... xocet Apr 2012 #38
I am definitely keeping in mind that you are an outsider to this group iverglas Apr 2012 #21
so it seems that the quibble is iverglas Apr 2012 #24
This is a very interesting article: xocet Apr 2012 #30
you're welcome too iverglas Apr 2012 #31
Leave, disruptor. BlueIris Apr 2012 #34
Since I apologized to everyone else, I'll apologize to you, too. Sorry. It was a misunderstanding. xocet Apr 2012 #39
it's the double standard that both are trapped in iverglas Apr 2012 #7
you are right. and ya, see, i went first a couple decades ago. wasnt so hard. and any man seabeyond Apr 2012 #9
I disagree that men cant really start. redqueen Apr 2012 #11
no, I do agree iverglas Apr 2012 #18
more to lose if they go first... more to gain from the present arrangement seabeyond Apr 2012 #19
This happens to me in real life ALL. THE. TIME. MadrasT Apr 2012 #20
I've been a little lucky iverglas Apr 2012 #22
i literally had men tell me seabeyond Apr 2012 #23
heh, MadrasT's and my exchange in another thread iverglas Apr 2012 #25
exactly. kinda like rachel not dressing like a girl, or whatever. seabeyond Apr 2012 #26
Wow! Good to see such sex positive statements! PassingFair Apr 2012 #27
you had me laughing so hard seabeyond Apr 2012 #28
excellent! n/t Scout Apr 2012 #29
But, but, part of what makes a woman successful BlueIris Apr 2012 #35
IGN agrees, all women are whores redqueen Apr 2012 #36
oh, wow. couldnt get past the video seabeyond Apr 2012 #37
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kicking to see if it will make it to first page. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #42
I admire how brave you are, seabeyond! marble falls Dec 2014 #43
do you know what name removed said? that hunts down an old OP (that i LOVE) only seabeyond Dec 2014 #44
LOL - nice of name removed to kick this thread. cyberswede Dec 2014 #45
i love this thread. he made me re read. and i kept saying yup. right on. lol seabeyond Dec 2014 #46
It was bad ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #47
i love listening to you seabeyond Dec 2014 #48
LOL mercuryblues Dec 2014 #49
Hey, you were unflagged. Good for you. Got your voice back seabeyond Dec 2014 #50
Hey you! ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #51
Women do it as well, and that's not good either GitRDun Dec 2014 #52
It is a largely male issue ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #53
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Fuck off hard... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #55
I have a feeling that post is about to go off into Oblivion. nt Mike 03 Sep 2019 #56
hopefully... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #58
It was gone by 5:11 DashOneBravo Sep 2019 #59
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