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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
25. heh, MadrasT's and my exchange in another thread
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:57 PM
Apr 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=81964

MadrasT:

It <"tomboy"> *can* be a slur

And for reasons which aren't immediately obvious.

When I was little, I was often called a tomboy and it was meant as a compliment.

The problem with that is, for "tomboy" to be a compliment, that means that being a "girly girl" is a bad thing.

I later realized that the compliment to me was a slur against "girly girls". (I was raised by parents who taught me that acting like a girl was a bad thing.)

Like many other words and phrases, it depends on context and intent.

Who said it, and what did they mean by it?


me:

exactly

The problem with that is, for "tomboy" to be a compliment, that means that being a "girly girl" is a bad thing.

Masculine is good, feminine is bad. That's why, and slightly different from what Warren Stupidity was saying but maybe to clarify it, girls being masculine is not as bad as boys being feminine.

But it leaves girls in the conflict that if they want social approval, they do have to adhere to the feminine stereotype. Tomboys are cute for a while, but they have to grow out of it.

And also exactly:

I later realized that the compliment to me was a slur against "girly girls".

Just as I did back around 1970 and I intuitively didn't like being told I was "not like other chicks": basically, I didn't play gender-role games, I guess, and I spoke my mind. I decided I was une femme comme les autres -- an ordinary woman. The problem was the stereotype, and the pressure on women to conform to it. I was different in that I didn't, but the problem was still there for all women. And still is.
all women are whores [View all] seabeyond Apr 2012 OP
Towards the end of the first article, the following statement occurs.... xocet Apr 2012 #1
" men constantly write this type of shit all over the internet." seabeyond Apr 2012 #2
No point in trying to improve your argument. Equality is worth defending but not poorly.... n/t xocet Apr 2012 #5
you misfired. you may see it as a way to improve on it. what i see is you making up a reason seabeyond Apr 2012 #8
When read from the outside, what was written comes across very differently. xocet Apr 2012 #14
if women are raised from the time of little girl seabeyond Apr 2012 #15
What is a belief? redqueen Apr 2012 #3
So, there is no point in trying to put the argument on a sounder foundation? n/t xocet Apr 2012 #6
really? iverglas Apr 2012 #4
Hah, that "condemnation of all men" BS reminded me of this: redqueen Apr 2012 #10
Hey, if I am wrong, please enlighten me. What is the best study out there on subconscious xocet Apr 2012 #12
have you ever read this. think about it as your read it. see how many things you recognize in self? seabeyond Apr 2012 #13
No. Those are very good points to consider. xocet Apr 2012 #16
are you seabeyond Apr 2012 #17
Yes. xocet Apr 2012 #32
but see, seabeyond Apr 2012 #33
Here is some stuff.... xocet Apr 2012 #38
I am definitely keeping in mind that you are an outsider to this group iverglas Apr 2012 #21
so it seems that the quibble is iverglas Apr 2012 #24
This is a very interesting article: xocet Apr 2012 #30
you're welcome too iverglas Apr 2012 #31
Leave, disruptor. BlueIris Apr 2012 #34
Since I apologized to everyone else, I'll apologize to you, too. Sorry. It was a misunderstanding. xocet Apr 2012 #39
it's the double standard that both are trapped in iverglas Apr 2012 #7
you are right. and ya, see, i went first a couple decades ago. wasnt so hard. and any man seabeyond Apr 2012 #9
I disagree that men cant really start. redqueen Apr 2012 #11
no, I do agree iverglas Apr 2012 #18
more to lose if they go first... more to gain from the present arrangement seabeyond Apr 2012 #19
This happens to me in real life ALL. THE. TIME. MadrasT Apr 2012 #20
I've been a little lucky iverglas Apr 2012 #22
i literally had men tell me seabeyond Apr 2012 #23
heh, MadrasT's and my exchange in another thread iverglas Apr 2012 #25
exactly. kinda like rachel not dressing like a girl, or whatever. seabeyond Apr 2012 #26
Wow! Good to see such sex positive statements! PassingFair Apr 2012 #27
you had me laughing so hard seabeyond Apr 2012 #28
excellent! n/t Scout Apr 2012 #29
But, but, part of what makes a woman successful BlueIris Apr 2012 #35
IGN agrees, all women are whores redqueen Apr 2012 #36
oh, wow. couldnt get past the video seabeyond Apr 2012 #37
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #40
kicking to see if it will make it to first page. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #42
I admire how brave you are, seabeyond! marble falls Dec 2014 #43
do you know what name removed said? that hunts down an old OP (that i LOVE) only seabeyond Dec 2014 #44
LOL - nice of name removed to kick this thread. cyberswede Dec 2014 #45
i love this thread. he made me re read. and i kept saying yup. right on. lol seabeyond Dec 2014 #46
It was bad ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #47
i love listening to you seabeyond Dec 2014 #48
LOL mercuryblues Dec 2014 #49
Hey, you were unflagged. Good for you. Got your voice back seabeyond Dec 2014 #50
Hey you! ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #51
Women do it as well, and that's not good either GitRDun Dec 2014 #52
It is a largely male issue ismnotwasm Dec 2014 #53
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #54
Fuck off hard... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #55
I have a feeling that post is about to go off into Oblivion. nt Mike 03 Sep 2019 #56
hopefully... Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #58
It was gone by 5:11 DashOneBravo Sep 2019 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2019 #57
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