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History of Feminism

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BainsBane

(53,027 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 11:21 PM Feb 2014

"A small group" is responsible for all that ails DU [View all]

So we are told. Reactionary men could happily live in a world where no one ever suggested to them that they should treat woman as human beings rather than mere objects of lust of rage, if only for a few radical fringe feminists on DU. How many times have we heard everything here is the fault of a "small fringe group"? The comment reveals profound self-delusion. They want to ignore key issues about equality and inclusivity to make it all about a few feminists on this site. Only they are railing against practices that have been standard in every public place for decades in this country. They act like they never before heard there was anything objectionable about posting pictures of bikini babes in public places. They act like they never heard about the concept of a hostile environment before it was raised here recently. They deceive themselves by insisting that only a few loud-mouthed feminists care about such issues, even while posting in a thread with over 177 Duers expressing disapproval of the hostile environment engendered by such pics. They do so knowing that Skinner locked one such thread and instructed the GD hosts to allow no others. Yet it's all because of HOF members, despite the fact that they couldn't get away with any of that stuff in any public space anywhere in this country and haven't been able to for decades.

So what's going on here? Why do they so resent progress? Why do they refuse to consider the concerns of anyone but themselves? Why to they respond cruely to someone who shares a hearbreaking story of repeated rape from a very young age? Why do they systematically refuse to consider the testimony of victims of child abuse, legal rulings and evidence, and repeat the lies generated by the publicity machine of a wealthy, accused pedophile? Why is it they insist on telling people of color they are just too touchy when they point out the obvious--that stereotypical meals of fried chicken and watermelon are purposefully racist and do not "honor" African American culture. To deny the voices of feminists and people of color in articulating what they find offensive represents a clear determination that some see those groups of Americans as unworthy of basic respect or the same rights afforded to white men.

The "small group" didn't post the T and A pics. A small group didn't post the callout threads and posts in GD, all placed for the explicit purpose of creating drama and belittling the views and lives of those they see as entirely without value. One member of the small group did post Dylan Farrow's testimony, and that was an outrage. To consider the views of a woman was an anathema and triggered a meltdown by one particularly angry member. Many others simply refused to read her testimony or the court record showing Woody Allen's entire story was a lie because they didn't want facts to get in the way of their determination to defend an accused pedophile, who's victim was only a girl, hardly anyone who mattered. A member here who expressed a heartfelt story of her own assault was called a liar, insulted and ridiculed, even though what she described happens to millions of girls and boys across our nation. What this small group does is raise the viewpoints of human beings whose lives some consider entirely insignificant.

The fact is we are dealing with some very angry people who hate progress more than anything else. They despise the fact that they are expected to treat others as human, that they can't insult women as b and cs at will (even though they do and juries let them get away with it). Yet the fact that someone might object to their determination to treat women as subhuman is to them an outrage. We see an increase in use of racial slurs, and now we see them attacking LGBT members as loud-mouthed "crusaders" who would be better off keeping their mouths shut. To them, the only ones entitled to speak are themselves and those who support them. Anyone who questions their privilege and suggests that equality does matter is to be attacked and deligitimated at all costs. They personalize the issues to make it about a few HOF members, a few uppity African Americans, and a few LGBT "crusaders" because they won't examine what they are really trying to establish: white, heterosexual male supremacy. They seek to establish in a little corner of the internet something that exists no where offline in the USA. They do so precisely because they so despise the progress of the past half century and they especially resent members of subaltern groups who insist that we too are full citizens entitled to all the same rights, opportunities, and respect that straight, white men enjoy. All of us they so resent on DU could disappear tonight and their lives would not improve in the slightest. They will still live in a society that seeks to expand rather than retract civil rights. They will still live in a world where they have to compete based on merit, education and experience, rather than mere accident of birth. Yet they make it all about a "small group" because they refuse to confront the issues of equality and inclusivity that they are so determined to fight against.

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We refuse to watch GD become a boys' club gollygee Feb 2014 #1
+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #42
+1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #59
I like boobs... shedevil69taz Feb 2014 #2
I've got boobs BainsBane Feb 2014 #4
... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #14
and your feet are blue... shedevil69taz Feb 2014 #15
It's a blue footed booby discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2014 #94
What aggravates me is that a small handful in here use the term 'feminist' as a pejorative term Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #3
What bugs me more BainsBane Feb 2014 #5
When guys like that are going around 'explaining' feminism to women redqueen Feb 2014 #43
When I told one of them that his post was "mansplaining" he complained that I was hurling a gender CTyankee Feb 2014 #55
Yup, that's just outright lies. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #54
Wow! Iggo Feb 2014 #6
Brava! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #7
No matter what goes down on DU3. The world is -so- much bigger. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #8
It's about the real estate of DU and which sufrommich Feb 2014 #9
so much the analogy of the Plantation House and The Slaves quarters going on with what you Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #10
I dont know,I just notice that the default setting sufrommich Feb 2014 #11
and those that cater to the straight, white, males. They are welcome. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #119
Looks like a troll found your post so fascinating BainsBane Aug 2014 #120
He was selling real estate - in Singapore. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #121
How funny BainsBane Aug 2014 #122
He was just one of many late night spammers Rhiannon12866 Aug 2014 #123
While I'm not a mind-reader, I certainly can't deny that these tendencies exist even among nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #13
Those strawmen are not that surprising, because they are an almost universal response Squinch Feb 2014 #21
....... sufrommich Feb 2014 #25
Goddess yes, the need for attention. For personal recognition. redqueen Feb 2014 #45
I blush to confess that I was tempted to post a "Feminist men are better lovers" thread here CTyankee Feb 2014 #56
Well... Squinch Feb 2014 #57
women have been burned at the stake for less... CTyankee Feb 2014 #58
Frightening, the way people often respond to perceived (even if falsely so) threats. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #95
Well JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #60
I know that and you know that and many, many feminists (male and female) know that but it doesn't CTyankee Feb 2014 #61
You are too nice JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #63
I think it is best to leave it where it is and keep on educating. Teachable moments... CTyankee Feb 2014 #64
Well I just taught on another thread JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #66
good for you! I can understand that very well... CTyankee Feb 2014 #67
Yes, the "Me! It's on Me!" posts are to pick at the scabs to see more festering piles of goo R B Garr Feb 2014 #86
Childish, self-absorbed, think they're steaming hot shit... And these folks are supposed to be nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #96
Personally I think a few have-- serious issues-- ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #16
very serious creeper issues if you ask me Whisp Feb 2014 #49
Shame on you uppity wiminz! Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #17
The new market being catered to, apparently, is the far, far right. From 1962. Squinch Feb 2014 #22
Yeah, for self-proclaimed progressives, some of these guys are awfully Archie Bunker-lite... n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #98
"Frat culture. The new DU. Controversy sells, even if it's manufactured." nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #97
I strongly agree but there is one addition I would make: white frat culture, as we have Squinch Feb 2014 #109
Yeah, whether people realize it or not, it is about framing issues in a totally right-wing way. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #110
What the hell is going on?? Why do we have to fight right wing trolls to have a conversation about Squinch Feb 2014 #111
Unless they're big-time donors, I can't imagine the net value in letting them hang around spewing nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #112
Oy, that one! I don't know what the reasoning could possibly be, but it's really just as unpleasant Squinch Feb 2014 #115
BainsBane BellaKos Feb 2014 #18
Oh, it's you. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #19
Sheldon Cooper BellaKos Feb 2014 #26
I quit reading her posts BainsBane Feb 2014 #50
I tried education. I tried being reasonable, and polite. KitSileya Feb 2014 #20
KitSileya BellaKos Feb 2014 #28
Wow, this OP is in response to sweeping generalizations made boston bean Feb 2014 #29
I think telling people that when they are harassed, KitSileya Feb 2014 #34
KitSileya BellaKos Feb 2014 #38
After perusing the post you linked (OMG!), chervilant Feb 2014 #33
My ignore list is empty. Perhaps it shouldn't be. KitSileya Feb 2014 #35
My ignore list was empty, until I started adding the misogynists, chervilant Feb 2014 #37
Your last sentence is so true. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #40
I've read this morning chervilant Feb 2014 #71
I just started the other day ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #46
My boss had a confab chervilant Feb 2014 #53
No mind reading necessary when there is a history of words. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #23
Are you an adult? Do you really think that "cultural indoctrination" still gives you a pass? Squinch Feb 2014 #24
Squinch BellaKos Feb 2014 #31
Is that your "cultural indoctrination" that isn't allowing you to see that you are Squinch Feb 2014 #32
Squinch BellaKos Feb 2014 #36
And you didn't consider for a second that it was an appropriate response to the Squinch Feb 2014 #39
Squinch BellaKos Feb 2014 #41
Oh, of course. I don't accept your idea that I need to approach Squinch Feb 2014 #44
especially when a number of those people have said they are not Democrats BainsBane Feb 2014 #51
What the hell did you just say? ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #47
What is in a name? DURHAM D Feb 2014 #62
"A personal attack"? I don't see one. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #65
Problem is, to a certain extent, your suggested approach has been tried and has failed. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #99
"The fact is we are dealing with some very angry people who hate progress more than anything else." MadrasT Feb 2014 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #30
Very true. nt Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #48
Yes, people who have relatively little in life and are afraid of losing even that. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #100
as I said on another thread DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #52
Like those who seemingly pine for the (pre-Reagan) "good old days" when really nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #101
Bingo DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #102
FREE-DUMB !!! although the definition I just read, in GD, of freedom sounded more like Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #68
Is this more Ayn Rand freedom? BainsBane Feb 2014 #69
A thread inspired by your post, BainsBane hlthe2b Feb 2014 #70
I've been wondering, lately, LWolf Feb 2014 #72
I think it is quite likely... n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #73
One thing that surprises me.. KitSileya Feb 2014 #74
They also misunderstand (perhaps willfully) what objectification is. It's nothing inherently to do nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #103
Forgive me but I need to put this somewhere... RBStevens Feb 2014 #75
Who said that? KitSileya Feb 2014 #76
Here's the link pintobean Feb 2014 #81
Decided to swtich sides, did you? BainsBane Feb 2014 #83
Not at all. pintobean Feb 2014 #84
Someone said that? BainsBane Feb 2014 #77
not unexpected from that poster. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #78
Would you please name that person? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #79
Bennyboy. In the Dear Gentlemen of DU thread. nt DLevine Feb 2014 #80
Thanks. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #82
And the DU jury system votes 3-3 to leave it. DLevine Feb 2014 #85
I doubt that anyone who has been paying attention finds that at all surprising. redqueen Feb 2014 #88
No kidding. As I said over on the thread RBStevens Feb 2014 #89
Well the TOS covers 'gender' issues and that should be enough dammit! redqueen Feb 2014 #90
sadly, the TOS DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #106
Great post, BainsBane R B Garr Feb 2014 #87
well ... it -is- a small group but, Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #91
I don't think they all post in that group BainsBane Feb 2014 #92
as do I. -- I trashed it when I got banned from there and, then they started an OP Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #93
we saw this in 2008 DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #104
You nailed it. BainsBane Feb 2014 #105
Supremacist politics are very easily absorbed Recursion Feb 2014 #107
thank you for putting out this angle. excellent. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #108
Excellent ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #114
It's HOF's FAULT!!! Texasgal Feb 2014 #113
RUN! RUN for your lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!! too funny, huh? nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #116
The whole thing is becoming more Texasgal Feb 2014 #117
what do you mean. it already has, lol. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #118
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