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davidthegnome

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20. For further clarification of my point:
Sat May 31, 2014, 12:46 PM
May 2014

Imagine the typical upbringing of a male Christian in our society. Say they're Catholic, or Baptist, or some version of Christianity that is known for it's conservative views in regards to sex. They are taught that sex should only happen after you are married. Perhaps even that it should only be done for the purpose of making babies - that anything else is against God's will, that it's wrong and bad. They are told that even masturbation is somehow sinful, with preachers making vague references to some obscure text that quotes "Waste not thy seed."

Now put this Christian male in school. Surround him with other boys, that, as they grow, will become increasingly more interested in sex. Their bodies will go through changes, they will go mad with desires for things which they have been taught are wrong. Other boys around them will start talking about it in the locker room, or at birthday parties. It starts with lies about kissing, dates, perhaps they'll even say they got to touch some girl's lady parts.

Move forward a couple years - most of these same boys are now in their teens, lying instead about having had sex with lots of girls. Even though their religion teaches them that it's wrong, society encourages the idea that you should be a player, that you need to have sex to be a man, that the more sex you have the more awesome of a man you are. Men don't usually look up to the most experienced men (and/or) boys - they look up to the best liars. Wondering "Gee, how can I be like him? Why does he have so much luck with girls?"

So you have two very conflicting notions that are a deep part of your psyche as you advance towards adulthood. Not only can most men now not understand their own desires, they are half convinced that they're bad and going to hell - and half convinced that they'll be the most beloved men on earth if they can just have enough sex.

A little reality - sociological or psychological perspective, education... honest discussion about these issues... I believe, could make progress in turning things around, in instilling in young men some notion sincerity, of reality. If we can convince them that they do not have to hide their desires, that they are not wrong or bad - but that there are proper ways to go about managing these things... well, we could accomplish great things.

I don't think it's so much about having sex - as it is facing the reality of it, talking about it with honesty, sharing feelings - to stop with the repression that seems to be so encouraged.

Maybe I'm wrong, I can only share my own experience and thoughts as a man having been born and raised in this modern society. But I do think the solution is education. Real education as opposed to lies and bible stories.

Thank you for posting shenmue May 2014 #1
Excellent piece. theHandpuppet May 2014 #2
Just like you. sulphurdunn May 2014 #3
my son that will be back soon likes to discuss this subject.... and everything else seabeyond May 2014 #7
Youths confidence. sulphurdunn May 2014 #10
This is excellent! Personally, I am so tired of men who demand that I give them an excuse if I don't DesertDiamond May 2014 #4
virgin/lesbian/slut. seabeyond May 2014 #8
You forgot "bitch" Sweet Freedom May 2014 #15
i kinda see it the seabeyond May 2014 #16
Ewww Sweet Freedom May 2014 #22
omg... two different worlds. lol. and both... men dictating our sexuality. interesting. seabeyond May 2014 #23
I just wonder... theHandpuppet May 2014 #24
i am so glad this woman spoke out. i make this point. every single person ignores it. women? sex? seabeyond May 2014 #5
It's rare, but not THAT rare. davidthegnome May 2014 #6
i dont know if i will read rest. society sex is a taboo subject??? fuggin' for real? we obsessively seabeyond May 2014 #9
Well, if you had read the rest... davidthegnome May 2014 #11
excellent. then david. i will continue on reading. thank you for letting me know. seabeyond May 2014 #12
so why did you say it? your very next sentence proved otherwise. seabeyond May 2014 #13
Maybe I could have used clearer language. davidthegnome May 2014 #14
yes. i get all that. i really do. i have been talking about it for a while now. seabeyond May 2014 #18
For further clarification of my point: davidthegnome May 2014 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2014 #21
I think it goes beyond religion ismnotwasm May 2014 #25
That entitlement is rooted in patriarchal religions theHandpuppet May 2014 #34
Yeah ismnotwasm May 2014 #35
It's like a rolodex of boys clubs. theHandpuppet May 2014 #36
You're right. davidthegnome Jun 2014 #37
Thank you for this post theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #38
This in the first real paragraph ismnotwasm May 2014 #17
because all men are animals and will fuck anything they can. seabeyond May 2014 #19
I am schooling my twenty something sons about this randys1 May 2014 #26
K&R. Not that all men are planning retaliation for not getting the sex they want, but Dark n Stormy Knight May 2014 #27
Now this, this is fantastic. redqueen May 2014 #28
"I cannot and will not feel sorry for them. " ha ha. i thought the same when i read it. i like your seabeyond May 2014 #29
Yeah, I'm so done being nice about this shit. redqueen May 2014 #30
Andrea Dworkin again ismnotwasm May 2014 #31
Thank you. She put it perfectly. nt redqueen May 2014 #32
dworkin... and again. agree with you both. nt seabeyond May 2014 #33
That speech is one of the most powerful things I have ever read. MadrasT Jun 2014 #39
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