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Pike Bishop

(32 posts)
12. Government actions are much more real than Snape's
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:15 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:47 PM - Edit history (1)

You're a hypocrite because you said governments and churches are imaginary, and yet you post on a site dedicated to governments, government parties, government members, and government institutions. If you truly didn't believe those things existed, you wouldn't post on this site...and yet you do. If you actually think discussions of those killed in Palestine and Israel or our real Government's real use of torture is just discussion of "propaganda," you have my sympathies.

Also, governments and churches operate out of real buildings--have you seen the Vatican?--in specific material places. They are run by material people who extend their power through material means. The victims of the holocaust weren't just killed by "social/rhetorical constructs." They were killed by material gas chambers run by real people and technology overseen by a real Nazi government in real buildings imbricated in social/rhetorical constructs. Big difference.

I'm sure the victims of the Inquisition, or Native Americans wiped out by the American Government and its material army, would have loved to hear you tell them Churches and governments are "imaginary." I'm sure it would have been very comforting. If you could tell them they were no more real than Dumbledore, I'm sure they would be truly comforted...

Is it possible to exist outside ideology? [View all] Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 OP
I think ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #1
Chán Buddhism as developed by the Chinese is a practice delrem Jul 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #3
There is no living outside Ideology. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #4
how do you know that? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #5
Personal experience and scientific logic...a potent combination. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #6
How do you define the word "ideology." ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7
Definition. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #8
That definition is based on imaginary things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #9
...and yet youre on the "Democratic" Underground site....;) Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #10
Anything that exists only within the imagination is strictly imaginary. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #11
Government actions are much more real than Snape's Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #12
You seem to be conflating three different things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #15
I didn't conflate anything. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #16
I agree human behavior relates to objects, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #17
Yes, the Nazis were real. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #18
Why aren't you answering my questions? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #20
Do you equate "objectively real" with "physically real"? delrem Nov 2014 #22
Lots of things going on in this post. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #24
This is difficult to take seriously. delrem Nov 2014 #25
Apprehension is one aspect of the imagination. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #26
No. delrem Nov 2014 #27
I did not say they were the same. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #28
symbols are concrete. nt delrem Nov 2014 #29
Where do laws exist? nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #30
You mean like the laws of motion, of gravity, or like the laws of England? delrem Nov 2014 #31
I am talking about the laws of governments. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #32
Thank you. delrem Nov 2014 #33
Althusser's is in fact a reduction, not more complex. FigTree Jul 2017 #36
everyone's personal experience is different noiretextatique Oct 2014 #13
Yes it is. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #14
Why do you think a ch'an Buddhist should submit to your criterion of "scientific proof"? nt delrem Nov 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #35
I thought Pike Bishop was trolling me, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #34
Live or Exist davidclay123 Aug 2017 #37
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I Don't think so imsarvan May 2018 #39
Mind vs brain lounge_jam Oct 2018 #40
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