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cloudythescribbler

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20. excellent points -- furthermore, Hayden shouldn't kneejerk follow CBC anyway
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

There are good reasons that the Clintons have long been popular in the black community -- first and foremost that the Clinton years were very good economically throughout the country. In fact, as an Obama supporter in 07-08 from day one (hoping that Obama would NOT be another neoliberal like the Cilntons, Gore, Kerry and Lieberman) I remember how for what seemed like the longest time Hillary Clinton had a double-digit lead in the polls among African-American voters. Oprah Winfrey's endorsement and active campaigning helped that to shift in 07.

But imagine that HRC gets the nomination and then gets elected president. Once again I would hope that Bernie Sanders does NOT simply fold up his organization but transforms it into a center of progressive opposition both within and outside the Democratic Party. At that point, I would imagine that there could be a much broader appeal during the years of a Hillary Clinton presidency for blacks and latinos. Bernie Sanders already has the support of many important progressives including, very vocally, Michelle Alexander, author of the blockbuster book "The New Jim Crow". So in my view, Tom Hayden's reasoning about race falls apart even without all the rather dubious realities of the Congressional Black Caucus PAC -- Hayden has been a very sophisticated progressive observer of US politics for over 50 years and should know better than to follow the kind of racial politics logic he advances in that essay.

I would like to see one or more DUers with online media connexions write a stirring rebuttal to Hayden == and this is VERY MUCH something that should be discussed in the Bernie Sanders group (in my arrogant opinion)

for starters I think he totally misconstrues the role of race in the campaign ... cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #1
I don't think this thread is helpful or belongs in this group. Please consider self deleting. merrily Apr 2016 #2
as a bernie supporter I strongly think this is important to discuss & rebut cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #14
Obviously, I disagree. merrily Apr 2016 #15
This is not an appropriate forum to call into account Sander's viability. Bubzer Apr 2016 #18
Sanders isn't tossing a sixth of Black men in jail or detonating Latin American democracies MisterP Apr 2016 #13
Agree... LovingA2andMI Apr 2016 #3
He can't pass on the chance to elect the first woman president. It's in the article. Sorry, I'm not thereismore Apr 2016 #4
One thing he got wrong is that Bernie had 18 months to organize Blue Meany Apr 2016 #5
Who is Tom Hayden? DaveT Apr 2016 #6
Hayden was for Hillary since 2012... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #7
THANK YOU. That's how it struck me, but I hesitated to post that because of who he is/was. merrily Apr 2016 #10
I had similar thoughts. I'm thankful for the clarity on this. Bubzer Apr 2016 #19
He's got money now Politicalboi Apr 2016 #8
I don't. Everyone is entitled to vote for whichever candidate they want. It's as simple as that. jillan Apr 2016 #9
Tom Hayden? HubertHeaver Apr 2016 #11
Any piece that begins "I used to support Bernie BUT...." Maedhros Apr 2016 #12
Usual circular bullshite. Bernin4U Apr 2016 #16
Perfect analogy, thanks. merrily Apr 2016 #21
He *misunderstood*. He said that the Congressional Black Caucus endorsing Hillary... Donkees Apr 2016 #17
excellent points -- furthermore, Hayden shouldn't kneejerk follow CBC anyway cloudythescribbler Apr 2016 #20
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