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Rilgin

(787 posts)
65. Perhaps
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:12 PM
Aug 2015

Perhaps the problems is that looking at the chart, you can not believe its true because if the chart was true and those are Hillary's positions, you do not know why anyone would advocate for her candidacy versus a candidate who supports the other policy positions.

In other words, instead of not believing its true, first reserve your doubts and postulate the chart is an accurate reflection of their positions. Now, assuming the chart is truthful, who do you support? Now express your doubts to yourself because we should all be skeptical about internet posts. If research then provides proof that the Chart reflects Hillary positions that she has not directly or indirectly changed, you will have your answer.

The problem comes from your initial reaction which was "Of course this can not be true". Those of us who think she is actually and factually a bad candidate for the Democratic Party view the chart differently. And our views were not the initial reaction. I would imagine that if you asked me before I saw 30 years of Bill and Hillary Clinton if such a chart could be true, I would be like you and say "I can not imagine that she is in favor of the death penalty" or spoke forcefully in the last five years against marriage for the LGBT community or a host of other issues. However, we do have 30 years of experience with the Clintons now and have seen the effect of triangulation and soft right wing policies on our country driving us slowly over the same cliff the Republicans would take us only at a slower speed.

The stark differences [View all] SHRED Aug 2015 OP
I've posted this a few times lately. It should probably be pinned Doctor_J Aug 2015 #1
more stark differences - the H-1b visa/tech outsourcing issue HFRN Aug 2015 #2
This is extremely important a2liberal Aug 2015 #18
' I'm actually of the ethnicity that a lot of the H1Bs ' HFRN Aug 2015 #33
Yup! (nt) a2liberal Aug 2015 #53
I second that. Bill Clinton 'reauthorized the H1-B Visa bill in his last term. n/t whathehell Aug 2015 #52
H1B workers are being used to drive down the wages of american IT workers peacebird Aug 2015 #57
Number one issue for me abelenkpe Aug 2015 #59
Wow DonaldChump Aug 2015 #3
Try to spin that. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #4
You want stark differences? longship Aug 2015 #5
It isn't infighting. We have to decide which candidate will represent us in the general election. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #7
How does tearing down one candidate raise another? longship Aug 2015 #9
Pointing out where the candidates stand on the issues and stating that you prefer one or the JDPriestly Aug 2015 #10
But this kind of stuff makes DU suck. longship Aug 2015 #13
Uhm kenfrequed Aug 2015 #16
For one thing, I am not sure this chart is even true. longship Aug 2015 #20
Well there is this article that includes a few citations... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #23
The question is... longship Aug 2015 #28
I don't pretend anything. kenfrequed Aug 2015 #42
"I am not accusing you of this" longship Aug 2015 #43
Take what you will of it kenfrequed Aug 2015 #50
Here you go:: 2000 Senate race. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #25
Pshaw! 15 years ago! I doubt that she would say the same today. longship Aug 2015 #31
You must have missed some of the past Republican campaigns where they accused Democrats JDPriestly Aug 2015 #35
Please, not the flip flop card. longship Aug 2015 #38
It isn't intraparty friction. It is the process of picking a candidate. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #41
I have no bone to pick with you, JD. longship Aug 2015 #47
It seems difficult, because we Bernie supporters are trying to right the "long ship," the wide ship JDPriestly Aug 2015 #51
I hate third way. longship Aug 2015 #55
There is absolutely nothing on this chart that the Rs do not already know. jwirr Aug 2015 #37
Nobody has to post on DU. We are here to discuss issues. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #21
No, you are being very thoughtful. longship Aug 2015 #36
Exactly what criteria do you use to decide what candidate you are going jwirr Aug 2015 #32
Well, many things. longship Aug 2015 #39
This happened in 2008 also. The difference I see between the infighting jwirr Aug 2015 #45
Thanks, jwirr. longship Aug 2015 #49
Uh, why is posting a list of a candidates positions "tearing down"? Dawgs Aug 2015 #12
Exactly! SHRED Aug 2015 #14
Well, just look at the chart. longship Aug 2015 #17
which item in the list is NOT true? ish of the hammer Aug 2015 #29
Here's what you can do. If your not sure it is all true, research it and start an OP debunking it. Autumn Aug 2015 #44
If you don't like what's posted in this group feel free NOT to participate in this group. smokey nj Aug 2015 #58
Well, don't listen to me. Listen to Bernie. longship Aug 2015 #60
Bernie points out that he and Hillary hold different opinions on a number of issues. The chart smokey nj Aug 2015 #61
I am not harassing. longship Aug 2015 #62
Perhaps Rilgin Aug 2015 #65
My sentiments exactly. When disagreement or comparing becomes "infighting" libdem4life Aug 2015 #70
It's not "tearing down", it's stating facts... tex-wyo-dem Aug 2015 #15
Making shit up, don't you mean? longship Aug 2015 #22
Pew references it in 2008 kenfrequed Aug 2015 #24
Here you go smokey nj Aug 2015 #63
Again, in 2000, when she was First Lady. longship Aug 2015 #64
She supported the death penalty as late as 2008 and she hasn't come out in opposition to the death smokey nj Aug 2015 #66
Same as Obama, then. nt longship Aug 2015 #67
Pointing out policy differences between two candidates in a primary is not tearing down anyone. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #19
However, Posting what can only be compared to a Christian Coalition voter guide can. nt longship Aug 2015 #40
precisely! wendylaroux Aug 2015 #54
And who is responsible for that? zeemike Aug 2015 #30
This is the primary. And IMO either candidate will look better beside the jwirr Aug 2015 #34
I don't think she supports Keystone. JayhawkSD Aug 2015 #6
She was in the State Department when the Keystone was being negotiated. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #8
All of that may be true, JayhawkSD Aug 2015 #11
If she were against the XL Pipeline, she would not hesitate to say so. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #27
She might be taking their money, JayhawkSD Aug 2015 #46
I don't hate Hillary. But I do think she is for the pipeline. We shall see. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #69
refusing to state a position on it is different from not supporting it. nashville_brook Aug 2015 #68
Very good post. Please post it regularly. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #26
You beat me to it. SoapBox Aug 2015 #48
Good grief, I didn't know she supported border fence legislation. Zorra Aug 2015 #56
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