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89. Really? The establishment garbage again?

Reply to Progressive2020 (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:56 PM

May 2019

Since when are experience and change mutually exclusive?
Experience helps us achieve changes more quickly rather than set us back while newbies climb the learning curve as they learn from those with experience instead of repeating the same mistakes.

And Sanders is the very definition of an establishment candidate if there ever was one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Change Versus Experience [View all] Progressive2020 May 2019 OP

Well so far DU and just about every poll says differently. LakeArenal May 2019 #1

Most of the candidates running are outsiders of one sort or another. marylandblue May 2019 #5

That means nothing. As candidates drop out logically those number will chNge Thekaspervote May 2019 #51

But right now they are not going for Biden. He's still under 50 per cent, so marylandblue May 2019 #93

Outsiders ? treestar May 2019 #86

First of all, I said "most." Second, Sanders was always on his, out of step with others marylandblue May 2019 #92

That Is Part Of My Point Progressive2020 May 2019 #6

He's leading outside the bubble too BannonsLiver May 2019 #82

This is not a normal situation though treestar May 2019 #102

Yes 2016 the election Butterflylady May 2019 #107

No Bernie in the primary...general yes. Given the new polls, you are in the minority. Demsrule86 May 2019 #2

To me, electability is what matters and so the choice is between Woke or Win Gothmog May 2019 #3

electability means zero. its unknowable and dynamic. its a losing stance. Kurt V. May 2019 #8

We can not afford four more years of trump Gothmog May 2019 #10

Agreed musicman65 May 2019 #11

the formula is pretty simple. get behind your chosen candidate bc they excite you. Not bc of Kurt V. May 2019 #12

The issue is the definition of "weak." marylandblue May 2019 #20

OOOOH, I like this. Apple Fritter May 2019 #70

So you don't care about his policies or anything. BlueStater May 2019 #47

I can't speak for him, but, of course, Cha May 2019 #49

Let me know when he offers something other than how much better he is than Trump. BlueStater May 2019 #53

No.. I'm not saying anything Cha May 2019 #54

I constantly ask his supporters whether he stands for anything other than being better than Trump BlueStater May 2019 #71

I had a whole thread asking what his appeal is and got one policy related response... TCJ70 May 2019 #87

Adopt the playbook of Walter Mondale. namahage May 2019 #91

So you're arguing that a lack of substance is a good thing, apparently. BlueStater May 2019 #108

better than Dotard is all you need at this point treestar May 2019 #105

I live in the real world Gothmog May 2019 #73

How condescending. BlueStater May 2019 #74

If the economy remains strong, trump can win in 2020 if we nominate a weak candidate Gothmog May 2019 #79

Strong Democrats Progressive2020 May 2019 #88

He could just about coast by treestar May 2019 #103

I say Woke and WIN.. I do Cha May 2019 #32

all Democrats will be about the same JI7 May 2019 #4

the candidate that generates the most enthusiasm, excitement, change call it what you want, Kurt V. May 2019 #7

Depends on who you're running against. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #9

Obama excited people, he was charismatic. He gave good speeches. marylandblue May 2019 #24

People think way to deeply into this. WeekiWater May 2019 #13

You're not wrong. ancianita May 2019 #15

Clinton had image problems that were not just based on negative spending. marylandblue May 2019 #25

The money spent worked on Clinton. WeekiWater May 2019 #30

Relationships with the press are something you cultivate behind the scenes. marylandblue May 2019 #34

If people think this country's government needs stabilizing and reconstituting, Joe's their guy. ancianita May 2019 #14

You May Be Right Progressive2020 May 2019 #23

I absolutely believe we'll have it both ways. Joe's old, but he's never been backward ancianita May 2019 #26

Sure they may see government as a mess. marylandblue May 2019 #29

Connect "fix" with change. Consider that I think change must not be for the sake of change. ancianita May 2019 #31

Agree! Having worked in the medical profession all my life good solid change always came from Thekaspervote May 2019 #56

I agree with you and Obama. ancianita May 2019 #66

Biden is offering truckloads of change NYMinute May 2019 #16

Did the polls ask what people are looking for? marylandblue May 2019 #27

There aren't any yet. And I think you know that. Gallup hasn't done a poll on the state of govt. ancianita May 2019 #33

That's kind of my point. But I stated it as a question since I wasn't sure. marylandblue May 2019 #35

Maybe polling about govt. will come later. But for now, we just have to tap into the ones we see. ancianita May 2019 #36

There is a book called, "The Politics that Presidents Make." marylandblue May 2019 #43

Interesting. Those transformative presidents began as candidates who tapped into change. I get it. ancianita May 2019 #68

Part of the theory is at the end of era, the last president is a "disjunctive" President marylandblue May 2019 #77

I appreciate this historical analysis. Most voters don't understand or think this, but feel it. ancianita May 2019 #80

That is not how polls work NYMinute May 2019 #42

Polls can ask whatever they want to ask, but ask the wrong question and you'll get a uselessanswer. marylandblue May 2019 #44

I think the question is being asked, but indirectly Thekaspervote May 2019 #59

oh yes!! So true Thekaspervote May 2019 #58

Yes, that is exactly what Cha May 2019 #39

+1000 Thekaspervote May 2019 #57

That's it exactly treestar May 2019 #104

By the way, your post saying Biden is "establishment candidate" NYMinute May 2019 #17

I Disagree Progressive2020 May 2019 #21

I Would Also Point Out Progressive2020 May 2019 #37

American political parties are always coalitions. marylandblue May 2019 #45

Makes Sense Progressive2020 May 2019 #46

FYI: you might have said that to begin with. Your post does initially seem divisive Thekaspervote May 2019 #61

So Progressive2020 May 2019 #62

It doesn't seem divisive at all. It's thought provoking, not divisive. mtnsnake May 2019 #84

"Established" Dems are the ones Cha May 2019 #75

Thank you!! Thekaspervote May 2019 #60

Thanks For The Responses Progressive2020 May 2019 #18

Saving our country from certain destruction is exciting dalton99a May 2019 #19

Saving The Country Progressive2020 May 2019 #22

Sometimes saving the country might come first, because the way our branches are at war... ancianita May 2019 #38

You're subtly trying to push Bernie NYMinute May 2019 #48

No Progressive2020 May 2019 #55

Yup!! Thekaspervote May 2019 #63

We have a bingo! BannonsLiver May 2019 #83

Yup. Nt Nuggets May 2019 #109

If we pick the wrong candidate, we are headed for destruction anyway, even if win. marylandblue May 2019 #28

It's the ultimate excitment, dalton! Cha May 2019 #41

BS is too Divisive.. Cha May 2019 #40

+1000 NYMinute May 2019 #50

Yes, we all know that BS' use Cha May 2019 #52

Oh thank you!! Thekaspervote May 2019 #64

You're Cha May 2019 #65

"Establishment" means "organization" Indygram May 2019 #67

So Progressive2020 May 2019 #69

Yeah.. and BS uses it as pejorative to his Cha May 2019 #76

Pragmatic Politics Progressive2020 May 2019 #72

All true - but the nomination's still Joe Biden's to lose sandensea May 2019 #78

I want an establishment candidate. We are in CHAOS right now. FUCKING CHAOS. themaguffin May 2019 #81

This time they want experience treestar May 2019 #85

Really? The establishment garbage again? Nuggets May 2019 #89

Experience And Change Progressive2020 May 2019 #90

Since when is dislike of a person Nuggets May 2019 #94

Post removed Post removed May 2019 #95

Grammar policing is rude leftofcool May 2019 #98

Establishment Progressive2020 May 2019 #96

Ah. "Establishment" means super delegates! The ones eating all the canapes. betsuni May 2019 #101

I agree with you leftofcool May 2019 #99

Change vs experience? They aren't mutually exclusive. comradebillyboy May 2019 #97

Obama isn't the president he turned out to be without Biden... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #100

Experience can bring about change. honest.abe May 2019 #106

Washington Post-Opinion: If the economy keeps its momentum, 2020 will be Trump's to lose Gothmog May 2019 #110

Most Believe Socialism Is Not American Gothmog May 2019 #111

Washington Post-Opinion: Voters aren't playing along with the media narrative Gothmog May 2019 #112

Gallop-Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President Gothmog May 2019 #113