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thesquanderer

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48. Sanders did not vote for the bill Biden is discussing in the OP.
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:02 PM
May 2019

He couldn't, he wasn't in the Senate then. There was a crime bill in the House that year, but Sanders voted against it. So you should "check the facts before squandering any credible argument."

But in the bigger picture, I am talking about their entire perspectives. Listen to what Biden said in that clip, talking about his own, 1991, wholeheartedly supported bill:

the Biden crime bill {that} is before us calls for the death penalty for 51 offenses...A wag in the newspaper recently wrote something to the effect that Biden has made a death penalty offense for everything but jaywalking...I am a supporter of the death penalty. I am a supporter of the death penalty without the racial justice provision in it. I think it's better with it, but I'm a supporter without it in it as well."


That's what I was talking about. You've never heard something like that from Sanders, not even in 1991. Positions and philosophical statements, not just votes. Votes can involve compromise, you vote for things that include thing you don't agree with to get the things you do. But then listen to them speak about what they agree with and what they don't. That's where Sanders has been far more consistent than Biden over the years.

So while Sanders didn't vote on that 1991 Biden bill, you're probably thinking about the later 1994 crime bill, which both Sanders and Biden voted for. But the two of them still had different perspectives. Again, Biden supported it wholeheartedly... the Senate version was actually called the Biden-Hatch crime bill. Sanders, OTOH, voted for it with major reservations. There were things he liked (he's spoken about the Violence Against Women provisions), but things he spoke against even as he voted for it, including voting for an amendment to take the death penalty out of it. Ignore the obnoxious background music, this video makes the point, comparing how the two of them discussed the 1994 bill as it was happening... one thinking it was a great bill with his name on it, the other speaking against it despite ultimately voting for it as a difficult compromise. Virtually all of what Bernie said, he'd say today. I assume/hope that's not true of Biden.









If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
28 years ago! Enough said. Tell the youngsters who think they'd done differently while in the womb hlthe2b May 2019 #1
re: "The bad politicos are those who don't change their positions and evolve." thesquanderer May 2019 #8
Easy to say-actually disingenuous 28 yr. later. It was a different time with different issues. hlthe2b May 2019 #14
Biden continued to be proud of 'his' crime bill - as recently as 2015 bloom May 2019 #30
Utterly ridiculous as you defend Sander's identical vote and Warren was a Republican at the time hlthe2b May 2019 #35
That bill defines Biden bloom May 2019 #44
Yeah, keep digging. With supporters like you feebly attacking her opponents, Warren needs... hlthe2b May 2019 #46
Sanders did not vote for the bill Biden is discussing in the OP. thesquanderer May 2019 #48
The racial justice provision: loyalsister May 2019 #56
that link didn't have any info - that I could see n/t bloom May 2019 #63
Sorry loyalsister May 2019 #70
That was last century tirebiter May 2019 #2
He is still proud of his bill. bloom May 2019 #40
Well, there are candidates who have never expressed regret for their Iraq intervention votes. ehrnst May 2019 #82
Reach LW1977 May 2019 #3
28 years ago Warren was a Republican BeyondGeography May 2019 #4
+1 Hassler May 2019 #10
Warren is not bragging about being a Republican. bloom May 2019 #32
Still she voted for Reagan redstateblues May 2019 #79
Bernie record from C-Span when he voted for the 1994 Crime Bill. Kahuna7 May 2019 #5
Actually - your post favors Bernie. He appears quite a bit more thoughtful in comparison bloom May 2019 #11
So much has been made about how the crime bill threw... Kahuna7 May 2019 #18
I didn't say that (throwing black men under) - he just seems to be weighing the pros and cons better bloom May 2019 #22
So. The pot has no business calling the kettle black. nt Kahuna7 May 2019 #23
Warren was a repub then.. was that a good thing?.. Cha May 2019 #6
She was a law professor. Not a Republican politician. bloom May 2019 #16
Still a repub. Cha May 2019 #81
"When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir ..." DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #7
I mean I just don't think this approach is going to bear fruit qazplm135 May 2019 #9
I like knowing the full story bloom May 2019 #13
I don't think you shared that link qazplm135 May 2019 #21
You don't know the full story on any of them but DonViejo May 2019 #28
I support Warren based on what I know bloom May 2019 #33
So, the answer to my question is "yes." Got it. eom DonViejo May 2019 #37
You seem to have a particular animus towards Biden, despite "not knowing much" ehrnst May 2019 #83
People forget how violent it was during the heyday of the crack John Fante May 2019 #12
Yes - you can look at Crime statistics bloom May 2019 #34
Important comment. The communities most affected were demanding stronger law emmaverybo May 2019 #45
Another day, another Biden smear on DU mcar May 2019 #15
Is it a 'smear' to post videos? bloom May 2019 #17
It's a funny thing melman May 2019 #20
Yes, it is mcar May 2019 #26
Okay... but why weren't DU'ers and others attacking Biden b4 he got in the race..knowing he would Thekaspervote May 2019 #55
I didn't pay that much attention to him. bloom May 2019 #65
An old video from 1991? Seriously? Honeycombe8 May 2019 #19
as the senator preferred to call it (as recently as 2015), the "1994 Biden Crime Bill." bloom May 2019 #31
2015 is four years ago. Anyone talk to him recently about it? Probably not. George II May 2019 #71
Your post is too long to read, for me...but... Honeycombe8 May 2019 #84
Lol yardwork May 2019 #24
The crime bill as a smear has been dead for a long long time LibFarmer May 2019 #25
No, I don't think Sanders or Biden voting for the crime bill was a good thing. WeekiWater May 2019 #27
I don't think any those candidates were in congress at the time. thesquanderer May 2019 #57
That's just Sanders. It's how he does it. WeekiWater May 2019 #58
re: "Votes don't come with nuance. You vote for it or against it." thesquanderer May 2019 #62
How you describe that makes Sanders vote against a pathway to citizenship... WeekiWater May 2019 #66
As I said, bills are compromises. The bill was more than just that. thesquanderer May 2019 #67
He voted against it because of workers programs that were later expanded. WeekiWater May 2019 #68
re: "At the expense of the oppressed" thesquanderer May 2019 #72
That is exactly what I argued. WeekiWater May 2019 #73
There are plenty of problematic votes to go around. thesquanderer May 2019 #76
Most of the others were babies or in elementary school at the time. Honeycombe8 May 2019 #85
That's what I was thinking. NT WeekiWater May 2019 #86
Biden continued to be proud of 'his' crime bill - as recently as 2015 bloom May 2019 #29
Sanders signed this as well. And this sort of thing makes me vow to never vote for your candidate in Demsrule86 May 2019 #38
re: "this sort of thing makes me vow to never vote for your candidate in a primary" thesquanderer May 2019 #59
Oh but it is...supporters do influence what you think about their candidates. Demsrule86 May 2019 #74
I hope this didn't turn you off to Obama... thesquanderer May 2019 #77
Yes...Years ago. And Warren Wiil not win the primary and would not beat Trump. Demsrule86 May 2019 #36
I will for the person in the primary who I think is best bloom May 2019 #42
Zzzzzzzzzzzz........ BlueTsunami2018 May 2019 #39
He is still proud of his bill bloom May 2019 #41
I didn't watch the clip but i'm fucking tired of bs. CONTEXT matters. themaguffin May 2019 #43
I see mass incarceration / private prisons to be an abomination bloom May 2019 #47
I GET it and I have seen the documentary. You didn't read my comment though themaguffin May 2019 #50
The context was somehow mass incarceration Voltaire2 May 2019 #49
Jesus, you didn't even read what i wrote. themaguffin May 2019 #51
Not I did. Voltaire2 May 2019 #53
Nope. Next. themaguffin May 2019 #54
Even in those years, there were LOTS of people against the death penalty. thesquanderer May 2019 #60
you seem very concerned ! stonecutter357 May 2019 #52
I suppose... bloom May 2019 #61
Actually some of the crime bill was very good... emmaverybo May 2019 #64
What's your point? George II May 2019 #69
It's interesting, isn't it, that so many comments about "that was then" as if it's not a valid JudyM May 2019 #75
Weak Pisces May 2019 #78
Keep trying. Maybe make another stab at the hugging scandal redstateblues May 2019 #80
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